If Trump wins. Do you support him using his power to take revenge on his opponents?

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If Trump wins. Do you support him using his political power to take revenge on his opponents?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't answer this with the available options. Is removing the corrupt weaponization of our system revenge? It needs to be done!
    Eddie, be nice to the Beav! On the other hand, has anyone ever seen Republican moderates do anything other than grant leftist Marxists their wishes?
     
  2. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You and I are on the same page, but perhaps "his mouth" gets him by the partisan press. It did in 2016 anyway. Gentlemen Repubs like McCain and Romney never did anything but give the left their victories. I tend to overlook a lot I don't like in favor of his policies. Haley cried today and I didn't like it. It broke my heart......but I don't want a leader that breaks my heart. I want a leader that emboldens my heart!
     
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  3. Marine1

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    I liked most of his policies and how he turned this economy around and tried to fill all his promises and some of Obama's that he reneged on. But if he isn't allowed to run, we have little choice but Haley and I believe she will be tough. If she could get Gov DeSantis to run as VP, that would be a hell of a strong ticket. Might even bring back many of the women votes that went Left.
     
  4. Marine1

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    I'm afraid your right. But it might make up for the guilty ones on the Left that are never prosecuted for their crimes, because the FBI doesn't feel they can be convicted even if they did break the law. You sort of get tired of one way justice in this country. We're looking more like Russia every day, getting rid of you closes opponents. We just haven't thrown them out of windows yet.
     
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    So if I didn't hurt anybody for drunk driving or speeding, I shouldn't be held accountable?!? Why and when have conservatives become so weak at enforcing the law? We've heard people complain forever about wealthy and elitists not being held accountable and now that there is irrefutable evidence to make it so, they change their minds? Again, it's because of what Trump said. He could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose a single supporter because he knows his supporters will defend him as long as they share the same ideology. That's it.
     
  6. Joe knows

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    While I understand the desire for revenge I don’t support it
     
  7. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Deflect much? Try to stay on topic please.
    NY state was not injured. all loans paid of with interest... the banks were willing to do business with him again... there were no victims... and a property in Florida is worth way more than the NY judge claimed... but a jury would have seen through it, but.. oh..... wait..... there was no jury...
     
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    An Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth is Justice

    If the Left was acting justly they wouldn't fear the worm turning.

    Engoron's decision was medieval persecution, not justice.

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    'Arthur Engoron is a Denier. Comrade People’s Judge Arthur Engoron has denied the Constitution. More specifically, he has denied the purpose and aims of law, of the common law system in the Anglo-American tradition of jurisprudence, and he has denied many of the individual constitutional rights guaranteed to Donald Trump and his businesses and family members.'

    'Donald Trump and his family committed no crime. There was no crime, absolutely and certainly, most tellingly because we see and know that this case was brought as a civil complaint. It is NOT a criminal case. This is no small detail.'

    'What then does a civil complaint of any kind (they are usually contract or tort suits) entail? Well, almost always it requires that somebody claim and show they have been harmed. And no true plaintiff is present in this case, as there is no one who claims they lent money to the Trump Organization and were not repaid, or that Trump was bound by contractual promise to do something which he did not. Everyone entered into business lending agreements, everyone got their money, lent at first and repaid with interest at the end. Where is the harm? Or as the classical law saying goes, all the way back to ancient Roman jurisprudence: Damnum non fit inuria. There is no fault where there has been no injury.'

    'It is in fact firmly ensconced in our Constitution and law as the principle of Due Process of Law.'

    'Comrade Peoples Judge Engoron is a New York state court judge. He presumably knows and should follow the state Constitution of New York, which compels its own mandate of Due Process of Law. One New York law treatise calls due process “the principal constitutional restraint on potential excesses of state judicial power.” We see exactly why in this case.'

    And you're damn right that folks on the Left will be on the receiving end of their own tactics, and escalated to the level where they lose the desire to launch further attacks.
     
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  9. Daniel Light

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    Dude - there was a court case. The Court ruled the State was injured.
    The Judge didn't say Mar- a- Lago was only worth $18 million. The main problem was the lie about Trump's New York property
    being lied about (10,000 sq ft - not the 30,000 Trump claimed).
    Again, NY State Law doesn't require a "victim" in fraud cases that involve the State.

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    "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."
    "Turnabout is fair play."
    "What goes around, comes around"

    If these common phrases describe "revenge" to you, then yes, Trump should seek "revenge". I wouldn't characterize it that way, but it could certainly be interpreted that way. As long as it's legal, and it doesn't distract him from his duties as President, he absolutely should.
     
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    If Trump will win (I hope not), as any president he can LEGALLY help his friends or LEGALLY punish his enemies. LEGALLY.
     
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    Biden did not have anything to do with Trump being sued or charged with his crime

    what about hunter, did Trump have anything to do with hunter being charged for his crimes?
     
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    well lefties, you can put your conspiracy theories to rest
    In Trump's own words "Success will be my revenge".
    It looks like he has no interest in stooping to the petty (and EVIL) levels of the left.
    GOOD FOR HIM.
     
  14. Hotdogr

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    I did not make any reference to the Bidens.
     
  15. Zorro

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    I absolutely support returning the Left's fire back on them, with sufficient escalation that they no longer desire to launch the unjust attacks they have hit Trump with for refusing to bow to them.

    WHAT KIND OF IDIOT DIDN’T SEE THIS COMING? Kevin O’Leary goes nuclear on CNN, says the business world is scared after Trump verdict: “I would never invest in New York now. I’m not the only person saying that.”

    'New York's leaders might have just committed suicide to destroy Donald Trump and Shark Tank's Kevin O'Leary is here to break it down.'

    'JUST IN: Kevin O’Leary educates CNN host about the Trump “fraud” trial, says every developer in America would be penalized like Trump if treated the same way.'

    '“Excuse me. What fraud? You get a developer that builds a building and he says it's worth $400 million, and he wants to borrow $200 million from a bank, which happens every day, everywhere on earth.” “That haggling has gone on for decades. That's how it works… The bank that was supposedly defrauded testified and said: ‘We didn't lose anything. We want to do business with this guy again. We'd like to.’ But the judge said, no, no, no, no, no, no.” “Let's penalize this developer for $355 million.” “If we're going to do that, let’s penalize all the developers all across America. They've all done the same thing. All of them should go to jail and we should stop building buildings. That's what the message is from New York.”'

    If you will not grovel before them they will strip you of every dollar. Anyone who has a dollar invested that is under NY's authority, is a fool.

    'Imagine that you're an investor or a developer or a CEO looking at opportunities in New York. Why would you risk it? You could build yourself a thriving business empire and do everything by the book, but if you are on the wrong side of the Democrats in charge, they'll ruin you.'

    'Gov. Kathy Hochul tried to tamp down the fears of spooked investors by essentially saying this punishment was reserved for Trump and Trump alone, because "We'll only destroy certain political enemies" is sooo comforting.'
     
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    I'm sorry. "he could shoot someone and not lose a single supporter" destroys the entire credibility of your post.
     
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    nor did Biden, I do not think we can trust Trump though... do you?

    I mean look what Trump did to Pence
     
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    but you were talking about Trump using the power of the Presidency to attack his enemies list were you not?
     
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    Turned the economy around? He inherited a strong economy, juiced it with a deficit inducing, irresponsible tax cut adding trillions to the nation's debt, and now plans on making a previous mistake worse.

    A recent study on U.S.-China trade concludes that Trump’s trade policies cost the U.S. economy nearly a quarter million jobs. But its obsolete understanding of trade flows ends up pointing trade policymakers in the wrong direction.
    https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

    Trump floats ‘more than’ 60% tariffs on Chinese imports
    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/04/trump-floats-more-than-60percent-tariffs-on-chinese-imports.html
     
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    It used to be. Now it is a weapon to destroy people they hate.
     
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    Memory issues? Obama had a so-so economy despite his anti business ideology. All Trump did was to show a pro business ideology and the economy flourished. It broke records. Government can't fix a bad economy. Only the private sector and the public can do that. Government ALWAYS does more harm than good when it messes with the economy.

    Every country uses tariffs to raise revenue and protect the competitive ability of its domestic businesses. So does the U.S. I would go further than tariffs. I would set a future date on which Chinese imports would no longer be allowed at all. China is our enemy with a burning desire to take us down. Their methodology is brilliant and effective. Get used to that.
     
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    Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

    Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.

    Most of these sources are strong pro Democrat. Not Fox or pro Republican

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones.
    That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    The Judge DID say Mar- a- Lago was only worth $18 million.
    The judge ruled, not the court with a jury of his peers.... And he made his judgment BEFORE THE TRIAL.
     
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    @Pro_Line_FL
    "He flat out said he would destroy (root out) his critics / opponents which he calls "vermin""

    If he weaponizes the DOJ and then uses "legitimate efforts of the Constitution" to go after his opponent, then everything will be allowed..

    That was the precedent set before by the Democrats... It was not a Trump thing, but was a Democrat thing...
     
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