If Trump wins. Do you support him using his power to take revenge on his opponents?

Of Course we support Trump returning in kind, the vicious and unjust attacks of the Left. That is very meaning of proportionate response. The response must be forceful enough that the corrupt among the Left halt their lawfare attacks.

WHO’D HAVE EXPECTED SUCH REACTIONS? Major investors pull business from New York City following Trump verdict.

'Only sane people, of which' too much of 'the left knows none.'

 

I wouldn't say we support retaliation from Trump, it is more like we DEMAND retaliation. If he does not burn these pricks to the ground, he is an utter failure.

 

That's the problem with Trump, he's already signalling that he will focus on success not the destruction of those trying to impose tyranny through unelected agencies.

He has a guaranteed right to a Jury Trial, yet he has nearly a half BILLION in assets stripped by a judge that hates him.

He has a guaranteed right to reasonable bail, yet he has 30 days to post nearly a half billion dollars just to get an unjust, no jury trial penalty, appealed.

The last time he did next to nothing to dismantle the unjust federal agencies. He didn't lay a glove on them, he never even established presidential control over them. He couldn't even get the military to tell him where folks were stationed in Iraq and Syria so that he could pull them out.

He got impeached for defying 'inter-agency consensus" on Ukraine. We didn't elect the folks who came up with the 'inter-agency consensus' to control the ELECTED President of the United States. But McConnell, still went through the farce of a Senate trial rather than promptly rendering summary judgement.

Have you noticed that no one has gone to jail for illegally using FISA authorities to spy on the President of the United States and try to drive him from office? All the systems are still in place, all the FISA powers are still in force and available to the same corrupt agencies.

Trump's not an existential threat to these folks, he's a four year delay, and they are so self entitled that they are livid over it.

 

Try to keep up.... this has been debunked before.. any request would have been shot down by the judge...the judge has already made judgement Trump was liable BEFORE ANY TRIAL.

‘Nobody forgot to check off a box’

here are two fake lefty MSM articles, so take it for what its worth

Engoron said it wouldn’t have mattered if Trump’s team had checked a box on a legal form requesting a jury, or even if he’d made a motion for one because the judge would have shot down any such request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-nobody-forgot-to-check-off-a-box/ar-AA1i3Ois

"We are having a non-jury trial because we are hearing a non-jury case," Engoron said, dispelling claims that the trial lacks a jury because Trump's lawyers simply forgot to check off a box or file a motion.
"It would have not helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-upda...ays-about-lack-of-jury-103893152?id=103642561

https://pl.ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf

 

Trump has already said there will be no "revenge", meaning unjustified persecution, something he knows a great deal about and knows it's harmful to the nation.

Reversing malicious or failing policies is not revenge against those who created them, it's more like repairing your car after it been hit by a drunk driver.
And taking steps to prevent that kind of thing from happening again- isn't revenge either, it's protecting the future so the nation can thrive.

 

I think DeSantis is a much better choice for making sure these bastards pay, and pay dearly for their abuse of authority, and for making certain that future transgressors are much more quickly removed from the positions they are abusing.

Trump talks a big game but he forgives much too quickly. His goal is too firmly fixed on what he wants to do to benefit the American People. And that's a good skill set and ability that we will appreciate, but, he's not the guy to clean this mess up. That will take someone like DeSantis and it will be at a later date.

 

You would need to create transparency and reform the whole system, not just replace the people. Otherwise those randoms never in civil service before would quickly discover they can be just as corrupt, and add their inexperience and resulting incompetence to that, and you have made things worse, not better.

I think a Transparency Act is due.

 

That's about half the problem right there.
The other half is a lack of transparency and accountability for government.

 

For sure, I understand the emotion. The trick here is not taking revenge, because that is an extension of the game. The best choice is to make sure the tolerance of abuse of power is ended, and won't be allowed in the future.

We can't change the past, but we can change the future. We need to make playing fair- the only way you get to play the game. That needs to be something that does not depend on who is president, but that works under any president. And, it has to be a deal nobody can refuse; no losers.

It's not as impossible a task as everyone imagines. It requires a plan, one that has to address a huge and complex problem with a simple, viable solution that works for everyone, and then motivate the people to back it up and get it in place. Two steps- finding the answer, then finding the support. While figuring out how that can be done has been a monumental task taking over a decade, many people, thousands of hours and a small fortune, it now exists and is ready to go public in days- seeking to build that support.

On my kitchen table is a box with 535 formal, first-class letters, sealed, stamped, and ready to mail. These are addressed to every member of Congress, announcing this plan, asking for their support. I will announce it here on the forum with links to the website the day we mail the letters and send the press releases.

This is not just me, this is the goal of a non-profit corporation dedicated to the task. We believe that if we don't fix America, we will lose America. We may fail, but it won't be for lack of trying.
The solution is ready. Now- it depends on gaining the support of the people, like you- all the people who still believe in America. This is totally non-partisan. Everyone, including members of Congress- benefits. We have to show them how.

 

The problem is, there are rarely simple answers to huge complex problems. If ever.

 

That is absolutely right. It's more right in people's perception than in reality, and that does make convincing them very difficult.
The unwillingness to pursue a solution is accepting total failure before you try.
Everybody already knows many things can't be done, so why try?

That;'s the difference between those who achieve the impossible, and those who do nothing. We may fail to convince people to care and try, even though we have the cure- and if that's the case, it won't be our failure. Everything you have of significant value was at one time.... Impossible, but somebody tried and didn't give up.

 

Of course. The only legitimate government force is just force. They are the ones turning our Justice system into corrupt feudalism. The problem with Trump is that he had done none of this. No was held accountable. The corrupt FBI submitted a forged document, lied on every application. They failed to rig one election, successfully rigged another, and the power they used to do so, they still possess.

I would be completely unsurprised if, Trump's re-elected, that after 4 years, they still possessed this power and were still unjustly exercising it.

How many members of Congress do you think the corrupt FBI is blackmailing and illicitly spying on? Our agencies are rogue and Trump has yet to demonstrate that he possesses the skill set to return them to constitutional control. It's a tough situation, I wish we were in the process of electing DeSantis. DeSantis knows how to set the table with legislation so that by the time he confronts a rogue element of government, he's already obtained the legislative authority to do something effective about it.

We need to be ruthless in our pursuit of Justice against Federal and State office holders who use the power we grant them to abuse us. And of course, we'll assure them due process, which they sure as hell aren't extending to Trump and Republicans. They need to be stripped of their authority, and abuse of authority should also include stripping of their pension. There is no just world where the US taxpayer needs to secure the retirement of a federal employee who used their authority to abuse their fellow Americans they are supposed to be serving, not attempting to make them kneel before them.

Nearly all the power they are abusing is granted by Congress. Congress needs to strip them of the ability to abuse that power without consequence. Every member of the Administration must be dismissable by the president, who is the only elected person who exercises constitutional power in the Executive Branch.

The US attorneys that will not arrest and prosecute corrupt members of the FBI and Intelligence Community, who are rigging elections and illegitimately suppressing the Free Speech of Americans, in order to rig elections for Democrats, need to promptly fired and replaced with those that will.

Congressmen and Judges who are being blackmailed by federal agents need to be able to come forward and name their blackmailers.

One of the reasons that Hur didn't charge demented Joe is because the DC Jury Pool is engaging in Jury nullification. Dems walk, the GOP gets convicted, and the corrupt judges in DC hand out massive penalties and fines against Republicans while they let those that committed felonies in the service of the DNC, loose with a hand slap. The Federal Agencies must be moved out of the Beltway and into communities with balanced jury pools that will render just verdicts, not Feudal punishments.

 

The emotional reactions we have when we feel there is gross malice in the other side- is to destroy them. I understand that, and I feel the impulse. It is however, a perception based on how we interpret things.
In my view, the apparent situation today is that we have a left side of our politics that is either convinced that the end justifies the means, or that the means don't matter- and the way to accomplish their objective is to destroy all those who oppose them. On the opposing right side, we reject much of what the left is doing, in terms of principle, of detrimental effect on society, and of injustice.

This kind of conflict is only controlled when two conditions are present. Those are legitimate standards that require honor of those who are in the game, and the means to enforce those standards to stay in the game.

We already have an instrument responsible for the supervision and management of all these issues and responsible for solving problems- from the erosion of ethics in federal agencies to the economic chaos the nation is struggling with. This is the place where the rules are made in the first place- The Congress of the United States. This is the navigation system of the USS America, it's job is to keep the ship on a safe path to the future. Great responsibility, great power.

Now- IF that instrument was working correctly, it would be keeping all the operations it oversees and regulates running smoothly. It would be handling the natural events and obstacles as well as possible too.
IF- that instrument is working correctly.

So why is the ship in trouble? BECAUSE THE INSTRUMENT THAT KEEPS IT ON COURSE IS BROKEN.

FIX the instrument, and you also fix all the issues it has power over.

Think of this like a disease. You don't actually see the disease- you see the symptoms it creates, you feel the pains it produces. You can treat the symptoms, sometimes get some temporary relief, but if you can cure the disease- the symptoms disappear by themselves, and don't return.

Congress today knows it is in a state of chaos and failing it's mission. What they can't figure out how to do is fix their internal disease, or find the courage to do what's needed. We're going to have to help them out. They aren't stupid (have to leave room for exceptions) and many of them are sick and tired of trying to function in the existing environment. The time- is right.

 

When too much of the Left has turned prosecution and Lawfare into a Feudal system of illegitimate control, we must recognise that they are not restrained by honor, if they aren't laughing at the concept.

They aren't being enforced. No one paid a price for "Russia, Russia, Russia," or for illegally spying on a rival campaign, or for the outgoing Administration illegally spying on the incoming Administration and then trying to drive him from office. No one has paid a price for rigging the 2020 election, or for trying to rig the 2024 election confiscating the assets of the leading rival, and convicting him of contrived felonies and jailing him.

I'm open to hearing your ideas on "enforce those standards.

The reason Congress feared forming the FBI was that they feared that they would spy on them and blackmail them, they relented during the Teddy Roosevelt presidency. Have you considered that maybe the FBI has enough of them blackmailed that they have evaded Constitutional oversight, because clearly, it's not happening.

 

The plan we are putting forward has taken over a decade to reach. A lot of highly skilled people have contributed, and over that time we have considered everything possible. We worked with an open table such as used by the SkunkWorks team. One of our very valuable contributors was a professor of political science, with a 50 year career. He died last year, but he gave us great insight and direction; without which we would still be searching.

A critical step in this is getting past all the issues that are kind of like the conspiracy theory thing. Some are real some are not, but they are first- almost impossible to prove and second, almost impossible to wipe out. We used all the tech-think tools, like critical thinking. But in the end, the one that produced the answer was RCA, or Root Cause Analysis. Stop allowing all the symptoms to hold your focus- find out what's causing them. There will never be a government that doesn't have unscrupulous agents in it. The solution is limiting the damage they can do- and removing them quickly.

A key to a solution is to avoid too many rules. The more rules you make- the more negotiable things become, the more loopholes open up.
Simple example- the biblical commandment "Thou shalt not kill" Zero wiggle room or negotiability. While a rule must have some latitude to insure the enforcement will be just, when the rules become so complex nobody can clearly understand them, they are no longer rules. At least, they no longer can achieve their purpose consistently, and they allow a lot of abuse.

Most importantly, it's not about what happened yesterday or getting even. The real answer is to control tomorrow, to put a stop to the problems and get the nation on track. Then- keep it there.
At this point a lot of people understand that if we don't fix America soon- we will lose America. We believe we've figured out how to do it. Now, we have to convince people to try.

 

We're assured by the naive that we can convert our attackers with our restraint and exhibition of our essential good nature. Such views do not show any understanding how evil is confronted and deterrence achieved.

BANANA REPUBLIC: ‘They Flaunt Their Corruption’: NY AG Letitia James Gleefully Posting Updates On Trump’s Fines.

'Today James had an update and you can almost hear businesses scrambling to get the hell out of New York lest they run afoul of the progressive Stalinist legal machine in that state: '



'That's taking into account the interest Trump will owe each day on top of the original fine for a victimless "wrongdoing":'

'Former President Donald Trump owes an additional $87,502 in post-judgment interest every day until he pays the $354 million fine ordered by Judge Arthur Engoron in his civil fraud case.'

'With glee, James has said if Trump doesn't come up with the money she'll seek to seize some of his properties.'

'They flaunt their corruption. Bask in their vile abuses. Revel in their fascist lawfare. Conservatives better learn how to use government power, and fast.'

'"Public officials" like AG James want to be feared and don't care who knows it,'

'For all of the Useful Idiots that are cheering the evident Lawfare that has required President Trump to pay almost $500M…just remember…you’re next.'

'It’s crazy that an attorney general is acting like this. This clearly shows the judicial system in America is broken by a leftist agenda against a businessman.'

She's doubling down on her fascism:

'Not only will our government bring fraudulent made up charges against you. They will brag about doing it This is Evil.'

Some of 'the Left keeps making it clear they don't think the Constitution should apply to' anyone who disagrees with them.

Effective deterrence will require them feeling greater pain for their misdeeds than they are willing to endure.

 

True statement- if the consequencs are not adequate, the lesson they teach won't be learned. It would seem reasonable to say that if manipulate a judgement for political weapon purposes, the reversing of it should impose the same penalty you tried to stick to the person you were persecuting.

 

In an escalation, if you only match the aggression you are allowing the attacker to set the time, place, and intensity of the conflict. If you grant your enemy all those in advance, you will lose the confrontation.

The principles of effective self-defense require that the intended victim take control from the attacker, and that is achieved by disproportionate escalation.

Incarcerated felons were polled and asked which they would rather encounter while committing a felony; a law enforcement officer or an armed citizen, and overwhelmingly they would prefer to encounter a law enforcement officer.

Attackers are sadists, they are inflamed by appeasement. They like predictability. Make it a point to be unpredictable to your possible attacker.

 

My view is respect- until somebody crosses a hard line; then it's reasonable for all hell to break loose.

That's the reason people don't go out in the woods to slap bears around, they know the repercussions will be horrendous.

 

Who has paid a price for what they have done to Trump, since 2015?

No one, and that's the point.

Why would they stop?

What is encouraging them to not go deeper and deeper into their abuse of authority?

They've paid no price, and they have been stripped of no authority. Why would they change course?

 

They won't change couse until they have no choice. If self-respect and honor regulated them, this crap wouldn't happen in the first place. They look at laws as just barriers to be evaded instead of guidelines, so they doesn't alter it either. However, losing will be different. What we need is for that kind of mindset to lose, and the lesson be that such conduct will never be tolerated again.
We can't prevent a such a person from getting elected, but- if we could fire them the first time they violated the principle rules of ethics, we would soon be rid of them. You would either play the game by the rules and keep your oath or you wouldn't keep your job. Far more important to fix the future than to take revenge for the past. I'm focused on that.

 

And that's the way the Trump looks at it too. He says his revenge will be succeeding at doing a great job for the American People, and I understand that, but that doesn't really deal with the entrenched problem. Obviously that's not a task Trump really wants to take on. He wants prosperity, peace, great trade deals, rising wages and living standards for workers and to rebuild our cities into world class examples of what a first world nation should have.

So the task of dealing with the corrupt Deep State will need to be handled by whoever follows Trump.

 

Or... by us. Yes- us.
Congress is the mechanism with the duty to make America work. Above all else, that is their purpose.
They have power over all govenment activities- and can indeed change their conduct, if they wish.
They can fire the president. The president cannot fire them.

We can chose who gets elected (hired), but we cannot control what they do- and we cannot "fire" them until the next election.
Congress IS the key to America's issues.

The thing that is broken- is Congress. Not so much guilty, as broken in terms of functionality and the ability for the institution to do it's job.
There are existing rules that members are already obligated to uphold that ensure they do work for the good of the nation and the citizens.
They are broken everyday, by most every member of Congress. Not because they are all evil people or bad rules- but because that is the environment of Congress. Why>?
Because when rules are not enforced or enforcable, there are no rules. Congress cannot clean it's own house, and that produces chaos.

Rules that exist but are not enforced- cease acting as rules, they become false advertising for the public. Cosmetic imagery.
Rules that are enforced- control conduct. They create order, control civility and productivity- the things we don't have.

Imagine a baseball game, without umpires- where the players make their own calls. The catcher says it's a strike, the batter says it was a ball.
The runner says I'm safe, the baseman says you're out. Resolved by- a fistfight, every time.
This is congress, the rule keepers are all peers- players with a bias, and guilty of the same offenses in varying degrees.
They cannot clean their own house, because the game itself is corrupted by the fact there is no way to make the rules work.
They know it, too. But when all are guilty, none want to admit being part of the cause. Many are choosing to leave, in disgust.

Imagine we add umpires to the game. Totally independent, no political bias, sole purpose- to call the plays as fair or violations, with the power to eject those who intentionally violate the rules.
Not all the rules- just those that maintain the integrity and order of the game.

Congress needs exactly that. IF the only way to play is to play fair, that will be the only kind of players on the field. What's more, that gives them the moral authority, the power to require the same level of conduct from all the agencies they oversee.... the swamp. The honest game acquires a state of stability, in which both sides win- not necessarily each play or game, but the game of baseball they are all part of wins as an entity.
The entity in this game - is America. America has to win- or every American loses. Not just left or right- Everyone. That over-rules everything else. That's the big game we are all part of.
Congress is Key, and Congress needs- Umpires.

There is such a plan, and it meets all the requirements for the job.
Under it, every member of Congress wins. They win their honor and integrity back, they work in a stable environment instead of a circus, the rules keep order and it's neither neccessary or allowed to break the rules. The people win- because such a Congress can and will do what it is there to do- Make America Work.

So- how do we, you and I, make that happen? Pass the legislation creating the service of umpires, and the authority to enforce the rules.
NO politicians- Citizens, the people writing the checks, being sure the job get done honorably, with the power to remove those who will not. Totally related to keeping the rules, nothing to do with the politics.

Normally, every piece of legislation has winners and losers and becomes a dogfight.
What if- a bill was proposed where everybody won; and the only way to object to it is to say- It's unfair to ask me do your job by the rules I took an oath to obey.

A super majority is a condition where the public support for something is so broad that it is political suicide to refuse to support it.
How many Americans will support a viable, non-partisan way for the citizens to ensure that each member of Congress will do their job?
What if we could do that?

The way to do it is to make it public, put it in front of everyone, and let them decide if they want a Congress like that or not.
Get them to express their support, to make it clear that those who represent the public must also support what the super-majority requires of them.

The plan exists. The public is so jaded, so divided right now, that few will believe this is possible. The challenge now is reaching the public- and convincing them to care.

I'm pushing my staff to go public, we are long overdue. They think everything must be perfect first, I say- time is critical, we can't wait.
Since I am the man calling the shots, I can guarantee it will hit the press very soon.

 

Yes. I support Trump doing to them, what they have done to him, but, that's not Trump's plan. Trump's plan is for his success working on behalf of the American People, to send the message he wants to communicate.

'DON’T GET COCKY: Election Countdown: Trump Surges in Swing States Amid Legal Turmoil. Why shouldn’t you get cocky? Because: “The election is eight months away. The Democrats will not be sitting by idly. They have a country to ruin and power to maintain, and they are not going to let up on Trump.”'

Lying Jack Smith and Dirtbag Merrick are violating 'the Justice Department’s manual with a bookmark in Section 9-85.500 “Actions that may have an impact on Election.” “Federal prosecutors and agents may never select the timing of any action, including investigative steps, criminal charges, or statements, for the purpose of affecting any election or for the purpose of giving an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party.”'

Folks know they are as crooked as diarrhea after all you can eat spaghetti night.

Lying 'Jack Smith intended to set trial March 4, the day before Super Tuesday, in what is one of the most Democratic cities in the country, in a court presided over by Tanya Chutkan, an ostentatiously Trump-hostile judge. “Democrats envisioned a weekslong trial tying Trump down in a federal courtroom, followed by a guilty verdict from a deep-blue Washington, D.C., jury, followed by a long sentence imposed by Chutkan, followed by a move by Smith to imprison Trump pending appeal. Bingo! Trump would be behind bars by Labor Day, and Biden would cruise to victory.”'

'The Supreme Court wrecked this envisioned party by agreeing to hear Trump’s case that, as president on January 6, 2021, he enjoyed immunity from criminal prosecution. SCOTUS agreed to expedite the case, but no one expects them to finish before the election in November.'

'There’s the $450 million Judge Arthur Engoron says he must pay because the banks did their own arithmetic, made the loans, and were pleased that Trump paid them back on time and in full. So it was a fraud in which no one was defrauded, but Trump still must be fined into possible bankruptcy. Someone should get Engoron a large-type version of the 8th Amendment, which is brief and to the point: “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”'

'There is the case of the classified documents that Trump had stashed away in Mar-a-Lago, his home in Palm Beach. Trump faces dozens of counts in that case, but it is not at all clear that prosecutors are going to be able to make any of the charges stick. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking, Trump chalks up primary after primary victory, and he keeps going up in the polls.'

And in the Swing States that will decide the election 'Trump is ahead of Biden in all of the swing states,

• 49 to 43 in Arizona,
• 46 to 42 in Wisconsin,
• 49 to 43 in Georgia,
• 50 to 41 in North Carolina,
• 49 to 43 in Pennsylvania,
• 46 to 44 in Michigan, and
• 48 to 42 in Nevada.

If the election were today, Trump would sail back into the White House.'

 

Yes. Trump should do to them,
what they did to him.

But, Trump doesn't agree. He says that working successfully for the American People will be his revenge.