Largest Covid Vaccine Study Yet Finds Links to Health Conditions

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Touche
     
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    And………..??
     
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    Whilst screaming about others “forcing” them to do things. And really what are these anti-vaxx threads about other than to try and force people to not get vaccinated
     
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    You're free to change your "genetic makeup" if you want, but I will stick to what my creator perfected and designed for me.
     
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    Right, gene editing therapies are perfectly safe......lol
     
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    Lols! And exactly how will it do that? Lols! What has me completely tickled is that the same people shivering in thier boots about a vaccine are gleefully consuming huge amounts of GMOs, EDCs from plastics and residual pesticides, microplastics and a whole host of other environmental toxins.

    EDCs are far more likely than a vaccine to cause your penis to shrivel into a vagina
     
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    Gene therapy is an approach that uses genetic material that changes your genetic makeup instead of using traditional treatment methods.

    Such as the mRNA jabs which are infused with genetic material that consists of DNA plasmids and then cloned and transferred to your cells. Plasmids are the tools being used to clone, transfer, manipulate and alter your genes.

    This newly jab created genetic material then changes how your bodies own cells produce proteins. Any small change to the DNA within your genes can alter forever on how your "creators" perfected proteins work.

    Again your completely free to experiment on yourself all you want, but remember that after altering your bodies perfected genetic material it's going to be a non-reversible event.
     
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    In other words this is a conspiracy theory based on word association with no basis in fact
     
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    Why don't you be specific about what part you feel he is incorrect about?

    Or maybe you could tell us what gene therapy involves?
     
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    So far he hasn’t provided ANY support for his claims

    As I said - the same people screaming about this are astoundingly quiet about the rising levels of EDCs in the environment

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...uction,by causing altered hormone production,

    They are also quiet about a substance known to be far more harmful than either EDCs or GMOs DHMO or Dihydrogen Monoxide
    https://www.dhmo.org/
     
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    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/17984-gene-therapy

    Overview

    What is gene therapy?
    Gene therapy is a medical approach that uses genetic material to prevent and treat disease. The technique allows healthcare providers to treat certain conditions by changing your genetic makeup instead of using traditional treatment methods like medication and surgery. In this way, providers can address the underlying cause of the disease or instruct your own body to mass-produce desirable medication or proteins.

    In gene therapy, genetic material is transferred to your cells. This genetic material then changes how your cells produce proteins.
     
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    So is gene therapy a thing or is it not?
     
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    And NONE of that is how an MRNA vaccine works.
     
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    It is.
    It has nothing to do with the COVID MRNA vaccines however.
     
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/
    Doesn't have a clue! ^^^


    [quote]The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies. Some of the tests they have undergone as vaccines have produced non-compliant results in terms of purity, quality and batch homogeneity. The wide and persistent biodistribution of mRNAs and their protein products, incompletely studied due to their classification as vaccines, raises safety issues. Post-marketing studies have shown that mRNA passes into breast milk and could have adverse effects on breast-fed babies. Long-term expression, integration into the genome, transmission to the germline, passage into sperm, embryo/fetal and perinatal toxicity, genotoxicity and tumorigenicity should be studied in light of the adverse events reported in pharmacovigilance databases. The potential horizontal transmission (i.e., shedding) should also have been assessed. In-depth vaccinovigilance should be carried out. We would expect these controls to be required for future mRNA vaccines developed outside the context of a pandemic.[/quote]


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/table/ijms-24-10514-t001/?report=objectonly
     
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    LOL......:mrgreen:
     
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    What he has NOT provided evidence for is the measured observed physiological effect
     
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    Hmmm yes - so where is the evidence they are altering the human genome? The “study” you are quoting is simply looking at regulations surrounding legislation of these vaccines

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

    https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/therapy/mrnavaccines/
     
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    The RNA in the mRNA does not enter the nucleus of the cell, therefore can’t alter DNA. The mRNA vaccine introduces a piece of mRNA that corresponds to a small piece of protein found on the outer membrane of the virus. The immune system recognizes the viral protein as a foreign particle in the body and produces antibodies against it.
     
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    mRNA can’t float around the body freely by itself because it degrades rapidly. After a mRNA vaccine, any mRNA found in the breast milk would still be encapsulated in the nanoparticle that enables its delivery into the body. The mRNA from vaccines does not get into the nucleus of cells so can’t change the DNA. Some mRNA is specifically manufactured to enter the nucleus of cells and alter the DNA in some specific manner which is what ‘gene therapy’ does. If the encapsulated mRNA from the vaccine is transferred to an infant via breast milk, the only thing it can possible do, is what it has been manipulated to do — have the immune system produce antibodies against the SARS virus and nothing else. It can’t get into the nuclei of the infant’s cells either. Sounds like a bonus to me — mother transferring protection from the virus to her child via breast milk.
     
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/table/ijms-24-10514-t001/?report=objectonly[/QUOTE]
    Reads one article, he probably doesn't fully understand, and thinks he is an expert on the topic.

    This is what the internet has done, it's made everyone an expert on everything.

    https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
     
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    Some posters above ^^ knows nothing about "biodistribution" of mRNA jabs!

    They no nothing about the biodistribution, cellular uptake, endosomal escape, translation rates of synthetic mRNA jabs because there are no published studies.

    And despite their assumption that there is no possibility of genomic integration of therapeutic (GTP) mRNA, only one recent study has examined interactions between vaccine mRNA and the genome of transfected cells, and reported that an endogenous retrotransposon, LINE-1 is unsilenced following mRNA entry to the cell, leading to reverse transcription of full length vaccine mRNA sequences, and nuclear entry.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19150848/

    This is probably too much information for those above to wrap their head around, but these mRNA jabs are nothing but repackaged lab created RNA viruses (GTP) that can integrate into their host's genome.
     
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    The irony again.
    Yet you seem to thing you know stuff?
    A non peer review that was predominantly an advisory article.

    Absolutely nothing to do with vaccines!

    Complete hogwash.
    Tracking that article to the source, we see that it originates from here:
    "gene therapy" - AIMSIB

    An independent non-peer-reviewed source. Appearing on Pubmed through affiliation is not automatic peer-review.

    Advisory language. Notice the use of the word "should". Based on the authors interpretation of the European regulation below!

    From that link, we see the main source of the argument and it is not exactly accurate:

    "European regulations

    This is very vague and contradictory [1].

    Indeed, according to European Union (EU) legislation, RNA-based medicines can currently be classified into different regulatory statuses, depending on the target of vaccines (infectious or non-infectious disease) and, for other medicines, on how they are obtained (chemically or biologically). This classification determines the checks and studies that must be carried out in order to obtain marketing authorisations.

    Thus, mRNA vaccines against infectious diseases are not classified as gene therapy products while mRNA vaccines for the treatment of cancers are GTMPs (Gene therapy medicinal products which are part of ATMPs, advanced therapeutic medicinal products), indeed mRNAs are GTMPs according to the CAT (Committee for Advanced Therapies) and must therefore undergo complete pharmacokinetic studies [2]."
     
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    Well since you seem to know vast amounts about viruses, please explain to us dullards how a study done in 2009 is recent and what it has to do with the covid mRNA virus. Can you explain how all of a sudden messenger RNA is now a whole RNA virus as opposed to a molecule that simply gives a target cell directions to make a protein. In the case of the Covid vaccine it uses mRNA to make a protein to make the S protein found of the surface of the virus which the immune system makes antibodies against.

    mRNA is very specific, like a recipe or a commuter program. In the case on the vaccine it only has the genetic information to make the protein and nothing else. It does not enter the cell nucleus so it can’t change DNA. You don’t need a study about this, it’s a known fact.

    Most of all, do expand on your thinking related to the study you quoted. The only way your thinking works if the mRNA is actually a virus. You have conflated the vaccine messenger RNA into being a virus. Explain how this is true since you possess such a vast amount of knowledge.
     
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    They are DNA based gene therapy and many of the batches have been proven to have massive DNA contamination which is a cancerous carcinogen.
     
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