Is Jesus divine?

Likewise, the Bible writes about things science will never recognize. You posted about the Red Sea Crossing, Noah's Ark , but I wonder why you didn't attack the miracles of Jesus? The virgin birth, walking on water, healing the blind and the lame, raising the dead, and His own resurrection. Scientifically, those would be relatively easy to disprove. When you can't see there is intelligent design to the existence of what we see here, I guess you are just stuck with science. I'm not.

 

Yeah Jesus is God
John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the father are one"

He said himself that he is God.

Are you a Jehovah's witness?

 

Constantine didn’t compile the books of the Bible he just asked the church bishops and such to sit down and agree on one doctrine about the nature of Christ.

 

No.

 

I was just curious so what did Jesus mean when he said "I and the father are one"?

I take that to me that he's God.

 

You dismiss anything from an unbeliever and stick to a book of words which can be shown to be in error in many things. Yet you cannot refute those errors.

The Book of Isaiah is all about Israel. It was written by several authors. Why would they suddenly write a passage/chapter about something else and then continue with Israel. Israel was/is Jahwehs son and chapter 52/53 can be interpreted thus with Israel being the suffering servant.

One traditional Jewish interpretation is that the Servant is a metaphor for the nation of Israel. This interpretation is especially shaped by Isaiah 49:3 - "And he said to me, 'You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.'" One problem with this interpretation, though, is raised by verses 49:5-6. There we see that the Servant is formed to bring Israel back to the LORD. This servant Israel therefore seems separate from the nation Israel.
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/278/to-whom-was-isaiah-referring-in-isaiah-53#355

The second Servant being the man who the Jews believe will lead Israel to victory at the end of time.

 

yabberefugee said: ↑
My faith in science and humankind has been shattered. Proven wrong on so many counts. I don't care to explore the details........I just go with what I know to be true and share it with others. It may be simple but I depend on something greater than it all. In my experiences it has been faithful to me. Yesterday I was at my brother in laws bedside. Was told he had three hours to live. It's been over 15 and that hasn't happened. Have spent much time with my sister and his children. There is much sadness but no regrets only joy. We look forward to our overall purpose that is beyond this framework of time, space and matter. You seem to put a lot of faith in everchanging science but science will end as well as scientists will end. So you might ask, what was their purpose?

We were talking science. this has nothing to do with science. It is simply that doctors do not know the bodies reactions to things. Some may die in 3 hours. Others whose bodies are stronger may survive longer. Your body may react to pain more severely than anothers - and so on.

My condolences if the gentleman has passed. Regardless of the prospect you feel you have of meeting again, loss of prescence is always sad.

 

No they don't. The words are, 'their creator'. In the context of mankind. So each of us can have our own creator.
The founders chose words very very very carefully.
They purposely didn't use the word, god. All those adjectives you used are for your own special god. No one else's, we all have our own.

 

No, it is not.
It is founded on freedoms. Freedom from a religion. Freedom of a defined religion from gov't.
It is founded for all to choose.
Today, the USA will have people from 1000s of different religions and 100s or more different type gods. To even NO gods.

 

I can refute everything you say simply by doing a Google search. A while back I started to research carbon dating. It is a very unreliable science in most instances and proven false. As to the Red Sea Crossing, there are many archeology studies that show where it happened, of course you don't accept the supernatural and that is our difference. The number of scientists that refute your facts can be found easily. There is evidence as to how catastrophic events formed the earth with out the need to add billions of years everytime science entertains a new theory. Why should I waste the time presenting this here? I have said I implore faith over theory. Theory will never accomplish a thing.
It always seems to me that you are one who studies the Word of God to disprove it. There are many like that and it is hard for me to relate. I have studied the scriptures because I want to hear from God. There is a difference and I guess if you are persistent in denying God, it would seem reasonable you would just put your study aside altogether. I don't read fiction much, but when I do, it's read for entertainment and then I have no need to reference it.

Your reference to Isaiah shows your desire to disprove scripture. 52-53 viewed through the lens of faith describes an event that took hundreds of years in the future. The servant "Israel" that you refer to includes all of those who have been "grafted in". It is our desire that all return to the Lord.

 

@yabberefugee can not dispute anything I said, that's why he need to make an ad hom post.

 

That isn't what he said. Being "one" is to be united, not to the dissolution of one or the other. Otherwise he wouldn't have referred to "the Father" and "I". It is a matter of authority and purpose. An officer of the law who is carrying out the law is one with the law. But he is still an agent of the law, which law is the will of the people, who in this case would be the Father. "I and the Father are one". This gives rise to the term, a prisoner of Christ. But in this case, our collection into Jesus hand isn't to punish us but to save or to set us free from the bonds of iniquity.

 

So what. Americas birth, existence and freedom isn't come about or determined by the varied and fluctuating opinions of men. It happened as it happened, beginning with our Declaration of Independence, without which our nation wouldn't exist. It's a done deal, no maybe's or what if's about it.

 

Creator, not creators. Created equal signifies one creator. You seem to be reading what you want to see, not what is there. And the rest of the Declaration is abundantly clear regarding the divinity of their endeavor. God is generic and not a matter of any particular religion. In fact they said "natures God". So if you wish that to be a tree or gibberish, then go for it. Believe what you will. Gratefulness to the God of American freedom is foundational to our nation. Therefore it is perfectly constitutional. What isn't foundational or constitutional is to say that giving thanks isn't allowed. Gratefulness to the God of American freedom is keeping the truth is remembrance. And you are free to bury your head in the dirt. But don't tell me that I have to as well.

 

Carbon dating is a technique used to determine the age of organic materials. It is accurate within the timeframe set by other archaeological dating techniques1. To radiocarbon date an organic material, a scientist can measure the ratio of remaining Carbon-14 to the unchanged Carbon-12 to see how long it has been since the material's source died. Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases2. Carbon dates are younger than calendar dates, and the technique is only reliable for dating artifacts within several thousand years13.

In any case what has carbon dating to do with my posts on the Nativity story. And the Red sea story has been rejected by every reputable scientist. Only Ron Wyatt - pseudoarcheaologist - 'found' anything and he has been discredited for decades. The idea of golden chariot wheels on a war chariot for battle is just stupid. Gold is far too heavy and soft to ride over even a desert terrain.
Why do you need carbon dating to show Davifd was 900 years before Jesus - if he existed. Or that Caesar supposedly ordered a worldwide census. Ot the Matthew and Luke disagree with each other. Or that Matthews geneaology misses out several hundred years of generation thus breaking the lnk of Joseph to Abraham. A break which even the Jews struggle with and cannot explain. Nothing I have posted needs carbon dating - and good luck with Google.

52-53 viewed through the lens of faith . Which is not fact.

You may deny what I have printed but have not proved me wrong.

 

Of course there's always the Infancy Gospel of Thomas where Jesus is prone to striking people dead or blind, and then restoring them to normal.

 

I hope all the best for you and your family. Being there with someone as they pass away can be difficult. I hope your brother in law’s passing is not painful for him.

 

It's very simple why. You have not proved any thing. You point out the "Gospel of Thomas". I'll point out the Watch Tower magazine, or the Book of Mormon. So what? None of them made it into the inspired Word of God. How 'bout Archie Comic Books? What does any of those have to do with the inspired Word of God? I think you have long departed from the department of faith. Perhaps you should try and bolster something you cherish instead of something you despise.

 

Thank you. It has now been 48 hrs and he is still going. Though he is completely comatose at this point, those in the medical field believe there is cognisant brain activity going on. My Brother in law was born Jewish. He's been told about Jesus and he has been inquizitive. It is my belief that Bob is working out his salvation before God takes him home. My family holds to that belief. We are ready to celebrate his life!

 

In addition, the concept in the Declaration as well as the Bill of rights, is that our "Creator" has endowed us with "individual value and rights". We are first individuals, cherished by God, and then Americans. It's a battle. Those that are godless always favor the collective over the individual. That is why they insist we are a Democracy. They change the language to suit their needs.

 

He also said the way to the father is through me so that sort of indicates he's God

 

That wasn't meant seriously. There are around 60+ books that didn't make it into the Bible for the simple reason they had little to do with the preaching of the Gospel. Many were from people who had known Jesus and he had supposedly told them 'things that he had told no-one else.

 

You've simply ignored everything but that which you chose to reply to. The Nativity stories you ignore for your own reasons. Are the facts I posted too close to home?

Now I'm off for an early night.

 

and he also said "if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." It's pretty hard to get around that one.

 

and from what I understand the gnostics were a movement to distract from the "good news"....much like you try to do now. There IS an intelligent designer for all that we see, and if He desires to reach those that seek Him, what's that to you? You can have your 70+ years (or whatever is alloted to you) You don't have to concern yourself with those of us that are going on.