Is Jesus divine?

I know their are anti Trinity Christians it just seems like a strange hill to die on.

 

Agreed.
There was a wide array of stories about Jesus going around that were deemed apocrypha; for the simple reason that it didn’t fit the narrative and the dogma that the church wanted to propagate.Some of that also made it into Islamic theology. It’s sort of like the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."


Person A: "No gospel would show Jesus killing people in a fit of anger."
Person B: "But the book of Thomas says that Jesus killed people in a fig of anger."
Person A: "But no true gospel shows Jesus killing people in a fit of anger."

 

As a Christian, it is a hill for me that I will die on. The trinity (God in three persons), the virgin birth, the resurrection and justification by faith. Most of the rest I consider secondary doctrines that I would never break fellowship with those who consider to be part of the Body of Christ.

 

I was thinking that anti Trinity was a strange hill to die on.

I'd say live and let live.

 

The gospel of Thomas was omitted due to it's lack of consistency. Matthew appealed to the Jewish population, Mark to the Romans, Luke to the Greeks, John to the world at large. Matthew dealt in the fulfilling of prophecy, Mark was appealed to the power of the Gospel, Luke tended to emphasize the miracles, and John is the Gospel to the world. Those, of course are generalizations, but each was a different lens and purpose.

 

Not understanding the trinity would be one thing. I know it was rejected because some related it to three separate gods. After all, the word trinity is not biblical. However, it is very descriptive of the nature of God. Jesus being divine and the Holy Spirit being the power He extends to those who believe in his provision for Salvation. Sure, some can be indifferent. There is a scripture, "many will be godlike in form but they deny the power thereof". I do not recall it's address of that verse right now but it speaks truth to the matter.

 

I don't really do the there's only one way to worship thing always find that to dogmatic and frankly quite self-centered. I'm not a biblicist and that I don't think that there is an official way to read the Bible and understand it I think that's again very self-centered.

If I knew everything I would be a prophet.

 

No they weren't. These various gnostic groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.
Sound familiar?

By the way I'm almost 85. And I do concern myself with those left believing things that are clearly untrue.

 

You've been given those extra years to consider the One to which you should show gratitude. If it's all for nothing, why should you care what others believe?

 

But if you understand the "good news" that the Bible teaches, and keep it to yourself, that is what is really self-centered. "Go along to get along" is very self centered.

 

'IF' you understand what the Bible teaches. It's simply your opinion amongst many others.

 

You understand nothing.
I don't have my version.
That's why I supplied 2(two, TWO) links. There's thousands more places to find out how the bible was concocted.

And you prove it by you stupid ad homs about me.
Instead of proving what you believe.

I accept your concession.

I lead you to the water, now it's up to you if you want to drink for knowledge.

 

It is done, so what is your point?
We are what we are today as a result of that beginning.

Freedom to chose or not chose a religion or a god.

 

Who has given me those extra years - god or science. When I was younger I had an incident of ill health that, if not treated, would have cost me my life. Should I thave left it to god to aave me? The fact that I am alive is the science - surgeons - that saved my life? When my time will be up, and why, I don't know. I don't want to be like my father who was kept alive for a long period, on painkilling drugs that left him comatosed. I guess that if you've ever had a serious illness science has healed you - or do you put it down to god?

I don't want people to live their lives according to some book - even though it has some wisdom.

 

"their Creator", not 'a Creator, or, 'the Creator'.

Plural people free to chose any Creator any person wants or NO deity at all.

Notice, creator doesn't have to be any god whatsoever.
Some founders believe NO deity, some believed in some form of a deity with no tie to a religion.

Don't make up words the never wrote. Not a good debate tactic.
Where is there 'natures god'? That could just mean, "mother Nature".

You'll have to point to the usage of the letters spelling god from the founders. And not from some personal journal. But from documents pertaining to the freedom of and from religion.

 

Scholars debate whether he even existed at all. As for his divinity, one has to believe there is a God before one can make Jesus a God. First prove a God exists then we can debate whether or not Jesus is also a God.

 

I get how people believe what they want to believe.
But to deny and not know anything at all about the book they claim to know inside and out is hard to fathom.

But everyone has to some how justify the things they do believe. Even if it flies in the face of reality and facts.

 

Because Constantine didn't want them included.
The purpose of the bible is to get people to obey. Not to find the truth and think for themselves.

Constantine may not have created the bible as it is today, but it was a beginning

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Early Christian Bibles
Main article: Fifty Bibles of Constantine
According to Eusebius, in 331 Constantine had commissioned him to deliver fifty volumes of scriptures for the churches of Constantinople, which were to be bound in leather and easily portable.[38] Only three or four churches are known certainly to have existed in Constantine's reign, but others appear to have been planned or established, for which the scriptures were commissioned.[38] The volumes were likely gospel books containing the Canonical Gospels of the Four Evangelists rather than complete Bibles with the entire Biblical canon, which were very rare in antiquity.[38]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

 

"Our" creator did not.

The actual words are, "their Creator".

 

If you read the Bible with understanding you would know God's purpose is that we seek guidance from Him and not men. Why would men seeking power write such a thing? I think that is absolutely why you resent it. Sure, you think for yourself but when others do not think like you, you go on the attack.

"Standfast therefore in the liberty where Christ has set us free and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage...."

 

I have had cancer for 10 years....I am surviving. I pray and others pray for me. Was on "Lupron" as prescribed for 9 months. The idea was to shrink my cancer before my second radiation. After that process, I went off the drug. Didn't like what it was doing to my body. I have a friend with the same cancer that thinks Lupron is a wonder drug. He has been on it for 9 years. The idea of Lupron is it causes you to not produce testosterone which the science says feeds prostate cancer. I asked him, "why are you on Lupron when the science says it has castrated you permanently after two years"? His answer was "my oncologist said it was necessary". Every three months the injection costs $4,000. That is why. If you look up Lupron to investigate it, the main use of Lupron is encouraged by the scientists to castrate little boys who are confused about their gender. Their confusion about their gender has come from scientists/sociologists that fills their minds with lies.

Science has improved my life, yes, but much of it I have rejected. Have a friend whose boy was on a genius level at age two able to count to 10 in both English and German. The day after he received his vaccinations, all that stopped. When he was too big to be controlled , he was put in a home. His Mom and Dad still love him and visit often. He is 32 years old and does not communicate. Autism does that to you. So can "science". Don't even get me started on the origination of COVID.

I do not trust you or any other human without seeking Godly wisdom. Scientists did not save you. Many scientists seek after God themselves. The God that gave you life in the first place supplied the wisdom that saved you. It gave you time to pull away from your embedded pride. It's human nature. Trials are there for each of us to develop our character. It's how we approach them that counts. God needs us to develop our character, but He loves us enough to overlook our flaws.We will see His perfection when He takes us home.

 

I can find and post many links that will show you how the Bible is true. That is a ping pong game I refuse to play. You rely on fact check and the internet. I do not entertain that bondage.
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No, you lead me to "kool aid" and I don't drink. That's why I'm sure I'll hear from you soon!

 

Why is it I have fellowship with others around the world that do not share a denomination or any other controlling device and we see eye to eye completely on the things that really matter?

 

America exists as a free nation because of God. Religion and religious liberty is another matter. It wouldn't exist were there no God. God is the constant self evident truth. Religion is the quest. His existence is baked into our foundation. If you don't recognize that, that's not my problem. Neither did the King of Great Britain. Your dismembering of our founding documents to suit your bizarre notion that there is no God, speaks to your own character, not to our forefathers.

 

So do Muslims!