Folks, I am Non-Binary.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Junkieturtle, Mar 6, 2024.

  1. Navy Corpsman

    Navy Corpsman Well-Known Member

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    If "VOTING"

    "actually mattered" then "they" wouldn't let you do it.

    Just the mere thought that "they" at the top of the pyramid are letting all the rubes on the bottom of the pyramid decide policy for them is too hysterical....:mrgreen:
     
  2. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Actually, what you just said is exactly what you would say if you wanted people to think voting doesn't matter. The fact is, none of this is necessary because it is largely the voters themselves who decide voting doesn't matter which is mostly the product of conspiracy theories and rampant cynicism.
     
  3. The Sentinel

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    I've never understood people who use the word "Democrat" as an adjective. It reminds me of those who think the word "gender" becomes an adjective just because they put a prefix in front of it.
     
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    I vote for the Federalist society justices rather than Soros Justices
    I vote for the GOP to pick district court judges, appellate court judges and the US Attorneys for 93 Judicial districts rather than Schumer, Soros and Graven Nuisance.
     
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  5. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im not sure exactly what is your position here.

    Are you complaining that he did not add the "ic" suffix at the end? Typically, "ic" is considered an adjective suffix which means that it is a suffix that makes a noun an adjective. It is for this reason that some people opt to not put the "ic" on the end of Democrat because it does imply an adjective rather than a proper noun.

    This is further complicated because it is unclear whether the correct proper noun is Democrat or Democratic. Nobody would ever say they are a Democratic. A strong argument can be made that you cannot legitimately have it both ways. Is the proper noun "Democrat", or "Democratic"?
     
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    One would have to not care which party controls the white house, and most people should care. Whether they think abortion is a fundamental right or a holocaust by itself would be enough. Or whether we need to minimize immigration or not care much about it. Or whether Ukraine should fend for itself or if we should help them (both Trump and Biden would aid Israel). Even if both sides are "bad," there are significant policy impacts for choosing one over the other. I get being disgusted, but it's hard to get not caring unless one simply doesn't have many strong opinions.
     
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  7. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    I do care though. I just care about my vote and the person in the White House more than getting dragged out every four years to stop whatever world-ending agenda each side has told me the other side will execute.
     
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    Your vote for President in the US is thrown away by its government by its EC system. Also gerrymandering of congressional districts results in a very similar disenfranchisement of the value of US individual votes in Federal elections.
     
  9. ECA

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    It is very comical watching BOTH sides play up the fatalistic role acting like the world is going to end unless THEIR guy is elected.
     
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    Well I’m living in Blue AF Seattle in Blue AF Washington State so it doesn’t matter who I vote for, the outcome is predetermined
     
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    So true for many people. The only states that matter are the swing states. Blue states vote blue, red states vote red. Hence why candidates spend so much time in the swing states. I too live in a blue state and my vote has never counted.
     
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    I seldom hear "world ending," it's just a very terrible outcome. Life still goes on even if millions of "babies" are aborted or if many more women suffer without full access to reproductive healthcare, but for each side the other outcome is a major tragedy. Hell life will go on even if immigrants flood the nation and white people become second-classed citizens, as Trump's base fears. Climate change isn't about the literal end of the world either even in worst-case scenarios, just a more unpleasant place where millions starve, many species go extinct, wars break out and natural disasters become deadlier.
     
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  13. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    I live in PA so I'm never certain which way my state will go.
     
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    Same here. I'm not voting for either of them. I'll probably vote for RFK, though I have some disagreements with him. But he is still light years better than Trump or Biden.
     
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    He said he doesn't want either to win. If Biden wins, that is just as bad as Trump winning. So your advice is pretty much worthless. Since we see both Trump and Biden as garbage, the best solution is to go with one's conscience. If people did that more, then we might not have this broken two-party system.
     
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    The problem with this is: There will be no more "worthy" candidates in the future. By the time of the elections, the social media smear campaigns will have turned any candidate into the devil who wants to destroy America. Even Jesus would receive the same treatment.

    In a sense, I am with you. I don't like Biden either. I would have been much happier if he hadn't run. But let's assume the current candidate would be Warren, or Buttigieg, or Manchin. Do you think they would get any better treatment from the smear machine? They, too would be painted as anti-American traitors. And that's the way it works with the smears. They just have to be repeated often enough to become truths, turning voters away from otherwise reasonable candidates.

    Of course, you can already predict the way it will work. Biden voters will either hold their nose voting for him, or they won't vote at all, like you. On the other hand, Trump voters are dying to put in their vote for him. With thirs party candidates, the only way I see this going is to hand the election to Trump.
     
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    Trump is a threat to US National Security because of a number of reasons.

    Biden is not.
     
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    We normally do not have high quality 3rd choice, like we do in RFK.
     
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    Do you mean how they took the two most milquetoast/moderate Republicans in existence (Romney and Mcain), and painted them as off-the-reservation extremists after they got the nomination and had already defeated their more extreme counterparts?

    You think it is bad when you have to hear the 5% of the media that comes from the right doing it to the left, but take a moment and put yourself in the other side's shoes and just imagine how you'd feel when the remaining 95% does it to the right. At that point, there is no escaping it. At least when it is only 5% you get it in small doses.
     
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    Unfortunately we have too many blind sheep in this country for that to happen.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am hoping that this BS rematch that was decided before the primaries were even started will wake many up. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, lol.
     
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    It is a show of disrespect for the Democrat Party. The late Bob Dole used to use, and it's appropriate. The Democrat Party has had nothing but disrespect for me, as a White male, since the early 1970s when George McGovern introduced the quota system for the 1972 Democrat National Convention.

    There is nothing Democratic about the modern Democrat Party. It is an oligarchy controlled by the few at the top. Just ask Bernie Sanders and anyone who tried to oppose Biden for the presidential nomination in 2024.
     
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    I worked for Romney and was severely disappointed by his performance during the 2012 campaign. I became more disappointed with him as a Senator. He had an "R" by his name, but that was about it.

    I reluctantly voted for McCain in 2008 and gave him a little money. He angered me in 2000 when he insisted on staying in the race after it was decided. George W. Bush had to waste millions on the primaries when the race was over.
     
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  24. FAW

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    I think you perhaps missed my point.

    While I am not a fan of either, they were still falsely painted as extremists. They can be called lots of things. Extremist is not one of them. There is nothing there to legitimately debate.

    Whether I like them is not relevant. What is relevant is the mischaracterization by the media.

    FWIW, I would have far preferred either to Obama.
     
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  25. JohnHamilton

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    I did misunderstand you, and I changed my post.

    The main stream media is going to attack any Republican candidate.
     
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