Is Jesus divine?

There were slaves in America since the 1500's. Like I said, our Founders and our nation were born into the practice, and later Americans abolished it when they saw clear to do so in keeping with the concepts of freedom. The practice began thousands of years ago in the middle east and Africa and was exported to the west. It wasn't done away in the middle east and Africa until the the mid 1900's. You should read the DOI before commenting on it. Also read Washingtons Thanksgiving Day Proclamation. Our freedoms this very day are due to our founding Fathers whom you condemn with the liberty to speak which they secured for you.

 

Who even cares what the founding fathers thought? Everyone is always going on about what people from 200 years ago would think about today’s problems. It’s all conjecture slanted by the bias of the person guessing.

I know that Benjamin Franklin thought of the constitution as a leaky vessel. I know that Jefferson wanted the presidency to be limited in power but ended up increasing the authority of the President’s Office in practice.

The US Constitution, any constitution, is a document that is changed and evolves based on the events that it is tested by. Rights are the result of the constant stress of political forces pulling back and forth.

 

LOL. You still thinking god created all people equal but enjoy the stealing of the indigenous people's land and slavery of black people.

 

I haven't condemned anything. I simply showed how your god you claim was all about equality, let Natives have their land taken from them.
And allowed slavery. Actually, per the bible, encourage slavery.

I am saying god is not part of founding docs, some creator is. 'their Creator'.
It's you claiming it's your god that did all those things. Wrongly.

 

You still won't support your claim of god in DoI. I suggest you read it. So you can see there's no mention of god.

Slavery was made legal in the south at the founding of the country.

 

Frankly that reply tells me all I need to know about you. I'm sad at your blind belief. You really believe that an event like this would have gone unnoticed. If that had happened in your location it would be in the history books. And they did have historians in those days.

 

So 'black' people are not 'looked down on' in the USA. Perhaps your own papers and newscaster give the rest of the world a false impression of what happens to 'black' people. Regardless of what their rights are the colour of their skin often denies them their rights in the work place etc. And it isn't only in the US. In the UK their is the same problem. I was talking to someone the other day about a neighbour who needed help.'Oh, you mean the 'black' man was the reply. Under the skin we are all the same.

No-one has to be a saint to be POTUS. But to trust a man like Trump and his life record is like trusting the Devil to run the Church. Not that I am religious.

 

Indians were massacred by godless men just like you. Do you deny that?

 

Sounds like you have it all figured out. That is exactly what the liberal mainstream American media pumps into our nation 24/7. The truth is the opposite of what they produce. Blacks as a race aren't second class victims of society. A small percentage of them are the victimizers of society. And Trump isn't evil. He's a brash, contentious, petty, immature, divisive man. What you see is what you get with Trump. On the other hand, you won't see the devil coming. He's subtle and silver tongued and already entrenched throughout our nation....yours too it would appear.

 

I've already quoted and explained it to you. Your judgment is too compartmentalized to allow for comprehension.

 

Thought you knew the Bible Trevor. King David committed adultery and even murdered. He suffered the consequences but was described as a man after God's own heart. Whether you believe it or not, I'll bet the farm you have committed "most of the sins condemned by Jesus". We do not vote for a lead Pastor here. We vote for "policy".
This tells me something about you. You are aware of "most of the sins condemned by Jesus", but somehow you point the finger as if to say you are above those sins. Your denial of Grace and Mercy reveals your disbelief.

 

You are responding to a guy who will never acknowledge that it was under our system that slavery was eradicated. Not in his time perhaps, but in Gods. He just has contempt for both God and Country, that's all that is discovered here.

 

So you follow a lead Pastor who wilfully commits sins against his followers by adultery, stealing from them as individuals and as a nation, lying to them. A business man who has failed in most of his businesses and left others - including his father - to pick up the pieces. Who is was/is a racist with his father. What a following he has. I don't think the US deserves such a leader. If he is returned you will only have yourselves to blame. He will never change.
As a Christian I would expect you to follow Pauls advice to Timothy 'For a time will come when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teachings. They will follow their own devices and seek teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.' That applies in religion and politics.
If Trump tickles your ears - good luck.
Oh. Don't bother to quote the Bible back. You may believe the Bible - I don't.

 

I agree. Maybe in time he'll come around.

 

As I don't believe in the devil I couldn't say.
He's a brash, contentious, petty, immature, divisive man. and that is what you want as a leader? Have you actually read his history. He is a calculating person who decieves and expects to get away with it. How many businesses - last I counted was 11 - have failed. In many he has been bailed out by his father. In others he has left partners to carry the can. Your legal system has allowed him to buy himself out of other situtations. You can see his history by actions proven against him and others yet to be tried.
Our system of Government is different. We can get rid of our leaders - you are stuck with your POTUS for the term of his office.
Going by reports from the US he is still lining his pockets with public money given for other things. He will never change.

 

I do know the Bible. IF David ever existed it was simply as a tribal leader. The whole story was simply made up to give the Hebrews a hero. Years ago I spent about 6 month sof my spare time studying the story of Saul's and David's life as written in the Bible. It is simple not feasible against the history of the time on which it is based.

 

What's not feasible about it?

 

The animus you exhibit towards Trump suggests to me a large degree of brainwashing since you aren't a personal victim of his alleged bad behavior. Imo, his supporters aren't fans of his shortcomings but of his successes. For instance, his administration was hugely successful for our nation and the world. While I was a Trump supporter during his first two runs. His behavior since losing to Biden has caused me to lose my support for him. Since Biden and the Democrat party are unrecognizable to me as an American institution, I am relegated to having to either not vote or write in a candidate.

 

For one thing, the Philistines would never have accepted David into their midst, and David would never have been able to devastate Israeli villages without anyone knowing during that time. David would never have been able to rule the area attributed to him. Egyptian border to the Euphrates river. David never ruled the cities in Palestine. They had their own kings as David found out when he is supposed to have had to conquer them. Most of all there were no 12 tribes of Israel. No Isrtael oin Egypt or Exodus. No crossing the Red sea, no journey into Palestine which was already ruled by Egypt and had been for centuries. The northern tribes were indigenous tribes.
The Jewish Ark of the Covenant was a copy from Egypt. As were also some of the Jewish rituals.
Finally, there is the Chest of Anubis, a special canopic chest that was used only to carry canopic jars (containing the body’s selected organs) to a tomb. It was covered in gold inside and out (as the ark in Exodus 25:11; 37:2), held sacred objects (as the ark in Deuteronomy 10:2, 5), and had its poles attached to its base. Its lid, which fit over the lip of the chest and was known as the “mercy seat,” bore a statue of Anubis (god who escorted the dead to the afterlife) made in one piece with the lid. These features are markedly similar to the ark.
Have you read 1 & II Samuel - a commentary by Robert P. Gordon. It gives various interpretations of terms and verses based on the language of the time.

 

What were his successes?

 

Lay off my country. You don't even have a bill of rights.

 

Don't you bother to quote scripture to me because you NEVER knew Him.

 

They had the godless in those days also. Be content with them.

 

God did not form the world and make humanity in dairyair's image. That is what your bitch is about. Take it elsewhere.

 

Yes. I do. They had a chaplain in every unit.
They prayed to god before every battle.

They were god fearing hypocrites. To use your words, just like you.