10 years of Ukrainian coup d’état. Did the West provoke it?

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At the end of February 2014, a coup d’état took place in Ukraine. If you doubt what kind of event it was, you can read the thread “Did a coup d’état take place at the end of February 2014 in Ukraine?”

And the present article deals with the question - Did the West provoke this coup d’état?

Spoiler

In my opinion, there were absolutely no internal reasons for protests – for the so-called Euromaidan – which began in Ukraine in November 2013 after the then President Yanukovych had postponed signing of the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.

Article 106, paragraph 3 of the Constitution of Ukraine states that it is the President of Ukraine “who directs the foreign policy activities of Ukraine”; see the official website of the President of Ukraine.

Therefore, the postponement of the signing of the above-mentioned Agreement was a completely legal action of Ukrainian President, which he performed within the framework of his powers. If citizens were not satisfied with such actions of Yanukovych, they could legally elect another President in 15 months - in March 2015 - at the next presidential election.

And it is completely unclear why the postponement of signing this Agreement could have any significance. Georgia and Moldova, which did sign such Agreements in 2013, so far - that is, in March 2024 - have not become members of the EU.

But at the end of 2013, Western countries suddenly supported the Ukrainian protesters’ demand for a QUICKER signing of this Agreement.

Moreover, high representatives of the U.S. and EU openly visited lawbreakers who occupied the central square in Ukrainian capital Kyiv and had placed their tents there; please see the picture above. Although - as far back as on November 22, 2013 – a Kyiv court had forbidden to pitch tents on this square; please see the BBC website.

And after Ukrainian police had chased protesters from the above-mentioned square – Independence Square alias Maidan Square - on the night of November 30, 2013, Western politicians condemned this fully legitimate action.

For example, on the same day Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird declared:

see the official website of Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs.


Ten days later, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry also declared:

see the official website of U.S. State Department.

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However, two years earlier - in November 2011 – when U.S. police used force against persons, who violated law during the Occupy Wall Street protests, Western politicians were not impressed by such facts at all.
Please see above the pictures from the CBS website.

In 2013 there also were allegations that Ukraine had a large-scale corruption under Yanukovych.

Even Barack Obama personally called Viktor Yanukovych a “corrupt ruler” later.

However, during 10 years which passed since Yanukovych had been removed from office in February 2014, Ukrainian authorities failed to prove that Yanukovych had stolen even a cent.
But nobody in Ukraine was ever outraged by this fact; for example, in 2017 Ukrainians were outraged by a cruel treatment of a horse which drove a tourists’ carriage in Odessa; see here.

By the way, information about Yanukovych was also removed from the Interpol data base and you can see it yourself on the official website of Interpol.

So, we can conclude that Western countries had absolutely no reasons for support of Ukrainian protest movement. Nevertheless, the West supported it and, in that way, the West provoked the Ukrainian coup d’état.


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Conspiracy confections aside, Putin must not be allowed to crush a democratic nation because some Republicans like authoritarianism.

Donald Tusk, Prime Minister of Poland told reporters: “This is not some political skirmish that (only) matters on the American political scene. Mr Johnson’s failure to make a positive decision will cost thousands of lives. He takes personal responsibility for that.”​

 

The US CIA and State Department, with approval of
then VP Joseph Biden, planned, organized, and funded
the Occupation which hid a coup.

Victoria Nuland helped choose the next leader of
Ukraine before the planned elections, and the coup
happened despite agreeing to an early election.

 

The better question is.........did Russia provoke the rejection of a Putin puppet by the Ukrainian people. The clear answer is yes. Another question might be, why are you defending authoritarianism?

 

At the end of the day you have a nuclear power invading and conquering a non nuclear power.

This will cause nuclear proliferation

 

So far what it's causing is Poland to build bomb shelters, Moldova hooking up with France on a defense agreement, and additions to NATO membership.

And Repubs leaving Ukraine to the Russian bear.

 

The longer this war goes on, the more it favors Russia. Either Ukraine and the West negotiates some kind of peace treaty or we risk losing more of Ukraine to Russia.

That's just reality.

OR we go all in and start WW3 with nukes flying.

Which would you prefer?

 

A Biden mid course correction is to double down on any mistakes,
never admit error, blame it on someone else, then
double down.

Move the war up a level.

On March 11 2022 Biden said sending fighter jets to Ukraine is world war 3,
now that he's losing at the level the war is currently at, the White House is
regularly talking about world war 3.

Yet here on PF many threads are saying the US public has forgotten how
bad things were with Trump.

Good things were, or at least not this bad.

 

Let's not pretend that Russia isn't a ****ing cancer on this planet.

 

No, Yanukovych provoked (and completed) the end of his term in office by his own words and actions.

The Euromaidan protests weren't for "no apparent reason" as your meme suggests. The reason was very clear; that Yanukovych has been elected on a policy of closer economic relations with the EU and had produced a formal agreement with the EU on that basis, which the Ukrainian parliament had voted to approve. He then very suddenly reversed course, refusing to sign his own agreement and instead turning to Russia and the EAEU. Clearly a significant proportion of the Ukrainian population felt very strongly about that, hence the widespread protests. Western leaders certainly agreed with the protestors, just as Russia leaders disagreed with them, but neither side appears to have trigger or provoke them directly, and you can make at least as much argument for there having been undue Russia intervention as you can for Western.

Your assumption that the Ukrainian people are somehow incapable of holding and expressing their own opinions (right, wrong or somewhere in between) is bordering on the insulting.

 

I would prefer that Repubs recognize the long term consequences of ceding Ukraine to Putin.

 

20 years ago the US media were in Islamophobia because the neocons always have an
enemy and the public needed a new enemy. The neocons are bribed to support our
'defense' (actually 'offense') industry. Almost to a person, Congress benefits from arms
sales.

The US has an ocean on each side, Canada on the North and Mexico on the South, but
somehow we always have to go looking for something to change, and it always has to be
done with weapons.

 

I would start warming up to the reality that the land Russia is occupying is gone. Short of NATO going all in and removing Russia, which would be a global disaster...that land is now Russia's. They are far too fortified and willing to toss every last man at keeping it.

Time to deal with REALITY and not some false narrative of counter offensives.

 

Russia is a nuclear power whom has expansionist asspirations and has invaded and CONQUERED a non nuclear neighbor. This destabilizes the entire ****ing globe. So enjoy nuclear proliferation. Which means the likelihood for a nuclear war in the future is that much greater.

All because Russia was insulted Ukraine didn't want to speak ****ing Russian anymore. Don't talk to me about the United States, I don't care. The past 70 years saw global trade and relative peace and stability. A far cry from what this destabilizing has done and where that goes.

The world is back to conquering through conflict again. Which means everyone is going to be in an arms race to insure their sovereignty. And we are seeing that.

What a ****ing time to be alive! Thanks Putin.

 

Neither Ukraine nor the US are democratic nations. Your reasoning fails on that point.

Putin protects the Russian people as best he can, and that includes the Russian borders. The US imposter has abandoned our borders and constitutional governance.

 

Your contempt for America and love of the war criminal are noted.

 

I love America, but do not trust its government for a minute. The crimes of the government are immense.

 

I have arguments with a dumbass Serb about this concept. Saying such things highlights your idiocy. It suggests that there are no differences in policy between Trump and Biden.

You couldn't be further from the truth.

Now granted the democrats have declared Trump guilty and are just trying to figure out what that guilt is so they can remove him from the ballot. Which is why they are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him and seeing what sticks. But if he fends it off and is allowed to run in the election...and WINS. Then you can't say **** about democracy. I mean you already shouldn't be saying **** about democracy because he won in 2016 and NOBODY in power wanted him to win.

Suggesting that America is not a democracy because of corporations lobbying for self interest is asinine. Trump's foreign policies are radically different, his domestic policies and his border policies. All radically different. Which means choice.

What choice does Russia have to Putin? The only person who was running was forcibly removed from the ballot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67810463

So please. Don't speak about democracy, you don't know what that means.

 

If you are in contempt of America's democratic elections, and our government of, by, and for the People, and supportive of the totalitarian's brutal aggression against Ukrainians, you have made your allegiance quite clear.

 

Not trusting the US government (in general or a specific administration) is perfectly reasonable, it's the apparent trust, love and support or Putin at the same time that is being questioned. Putin does everything you could accuse the US government of (fairly or not) and more.

 

Neither do you. You fool yourself into believing we have democracy in western countries and that Russia does not have it. You believe that the US government is benign and beneficent. You delude yourself.

 

If you actually believe the American people control their government through voting, you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

 

You are thoroughly indoctrinated by MSM, and that makes you typical and ordinary.

You are unable to appreciate that Putin has held the high moral ground in this matter for 10 years or more. He is doing his level best to protect his country, and that makes him head and shoulders above the current imposter in the White House, or any person in the US Pentagon, traitors all.

 

You ever considered, Putin already started WW3 and the only decision which is left is if you fight back or not? The switches in Russian economy, the military budget, the complete change to a pure war economy, do you think he does that to make a peace treaty in his favour and go back to normal to realize he ****ed up his country? Sorry, I dont think this is gonna happen.

 

Blaming the West or Ukraine for Russia's invasion is like saying that you just had to shoot someone because you were worried they might hire a bodyguard. This is all on fascist Russia.