Federal Handout to Intel Will Cost $283,000 Per Job, and That's Being Generous

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  1. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

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    Literally nothing to debate, your dead ass wrong and once again spewing nonsense to score idiotic political points. If you really want to know what caused the shortage, here you go a report from a leftie mag quoting the experts. What you won't see is anything to do with Tariffs lol.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-semiconductors-chips-shortage/
     
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    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

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    Oh do tell, what has the infrastructure bill built that republicans are praising?
     
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    Wow….so you didnt even address what I said.

    The machines that MAKE the chips were limited because the US manufactures those parts for MAKING THE CHIPS….which trump stopped with the trade war.
     
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    Intel's total assets are about $192 billion, and it has about 125,000 employees. So its assets per employee is about $1,536,000 per employee.

    The semiconductor manufacturing business is capital intensive.
     
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    [citation needed]
     
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    Literally nothing to do with my post.

    Don't quote someone unless you're going to respond to what you quote. It's a forum rule.
     
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    LOL ,If you want to learn about why there was a chip shortage, I gave you a good article from a left leaning business magazine. If you just want to scream Trump go ahead, just makes you look like a uninformed hack.
     
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    When you have lived in an area that has been environmentally devastated because of a companies ability to leave the area a disaster, then come talk!


     
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    Ok…just keep glossing over facts….
     
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    OK GRAPE, Covid didn't cause the microchip shortage lol.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NO.

    China manufactured chips during covid......

    Why do you keep avoiding the trade war Trump created ?
     
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    How old were you when Bush, Cheney & Co were invading Iraq and Afghanistan? Were you following the news in those days?
     
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    it was called the Iraq War. An unnecessary war in the wrong country, started and lost by Bush’s Texas oil crowd for their benefit.

    Cheney made a fortune out of it, and cashed out just as they were no longer able to hide the fact that they had failed and that Iraq was descending into civil war.
     
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    Like all international tech corps have been doing, their back end business is quietly selling info. The difference between social media giants and Intel is Intel's direct access to info.

    What You Need To Know About The Intel Management Engine
    December 11, 2017
    https://hackaday.com/2017/12/11/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-intel-management-engine/

    "Over the last decade, Intel has been including a tiny little microcontroller inside their CPUs. This microcontroller is connected to everything, and can shuttle data between your hard drive and your network adapter. It’s always on, even when the rest of your computer is off, and with the right software, you can wake it up over a network connection. Parts of this spy chip were included in the silicon at the behest of the NSA. In short, if you were designing a piece of hardware to spy on everyone using an Intel-branded computer, you would come up with something like the Intel Managment Engine."

    The gov't, via Intel, has access to any info on your computer and cellphone. The NSA and other gov't security agencies pay to have Intel's ME disabled, and I'm sure other country's security agencies do the same. FWIW, Intel's Management Engine and AMD's Platform Security Processor are pretty much the same.

    From the Intel press release link @Cal posted, under Systems Foundry for the AI Era, Intel’s Technology Development will be "enabling all the critical components [...] for a new era of AI-driven computing."

    With Windows 11's minimum requirement for more processing power, makes me wonder what Intel's AI components will have the capability of doing to personal computers and cellphones.

    This seems to have more to do with the gov't's incessant need to spy on and control people than anything else. And despite the grandiose promo, the people the gov't wants to control get to pay for it.

    Yes, they're corrupt and no, it's not in the Constitution. Same was written roughly 80 years ago... has anything changed?

    "People do not expect to find chastity in a whorehouse. Why, then, do they expect to find honesty and humanity in government, a congeries of institutions whose modus operandi consists of lying, cheating, stealing, and if need be, murdering those who resist?"
    H. L. Mencken
     
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    False.

    China started a trade war with us decades ago.
     
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    We shouldn't defend out allies and trade partners?
     
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    Ummmm ok….so those tariffs and other trade barriers Trump implemented had nothing with it ? China has been sending goods to the US for decades….so what “trade war” did they start ?

    There is an excuse for EVERYTHING Trump does…
     
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    This is news to you that trade with China was a one sided deal well before Trump? Really?

    Fact is, no other presidents did anything about it. China undercuts our manufacturing by manipulating it's currency to incentivize manufacturers to move operations to their county and export it back to the US consumers. At the same time, the Chinese disallow US manufactured goods from entering their country.

    The US Auto Industry is not allowed to export to China, but Chinese owned car companies are sold here in the US.

    The converse of your accusation is that Trump is responsible for everything, when in actuality, he was taking strides to fix **** broken by previous administrations. NAFTA was another one.

    Trump understood that policies for America should best suit America.

    But never miss an opportunity to act like he "started" a trade war.
     
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    https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

     
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    This is why you should avoid confirmation bias.

    The blog you linked says the study was incorrect. Further, the blog indicates that most studies only evaluate direct impacts, and disregard indirect impacts that likely showcase that it is beneficial to the United States.
     
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    The same folks now cheering Merika made, are the same folks that have forgotten about the environmental impact semiconductor production causes ;)

    Although, it will be a great backup for greenies to bitch about down the road ;)
     
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    Nice deflection.

    Do you think the government should support chips being made in America? Or just source them all from China?
     
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    Will there be less of an environmental impact if the production is in China and not in the US?

    Perhaps you want all semiconductor production to cease
     
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    great news for Arizona, Ohio, New Mexico, and Oregon and brings semiconductor facilities back to the USA, and create nearly 30,000 jobs

    "FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Up To $8.5 Billion Preliminary Agreement with Intel under the CHIPS & Science Act"

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ement-with-intel-under-the-chips-science-act/

    "Funding catalyzes $100 billion in private investment from Intel to build and expand semiconductor facilities in Arizona, Ohio, New Mexico, and Oregon and create nearly 30,000 jobs"
     
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    Lol, do you think environmentalist will support them being produced in the U.S.

    Not a deflection, a very putinate point, you could simply look in to enviromental impact Taiwan has had to deal with..
     
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