Federal Handout to Intel Will Cost $283,000 Per Job, and That's Being Generous

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there will be far less environmental impact having them produced ANYWHERE else other than the U.S. ;)

    The old saying, "You don't poop where you eat, and you don't eat where you poop".

    It's a very dirty industry...
     
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    I’m asking you your opinion of this support for chip making in America. Do you agree with supporting American chip manufacturing, or are you content with sourcing more chips from China?
     
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    Sure, I support it, long as it's right down the road from where you live! Hell put in four or five plants there ;)
     
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    Think some are worried about jobs in China

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  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Fracking uses a lot more water and pumps chemicals directly into the ground. I don't remember you being against fracking.
     
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    So you want to ADD.

     
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    Got a source for that? 31% is unlikely - or, more probably, a misleading use of statistics.
     
  8. ButterBalls

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    Yup, I simply asked Google the question. I'm a believer in folks looking things up as I do.. When someone does their own footwork they learn and tend to accept that answer and are less likely to argue..

     
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    we know . for MAGA not so much. you have to wonder why.
    but then when you see the MAGA economy, it's very bad. 8 out of top 10 poor state are MAGA land.
     
  10. truth and justice

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    Does manufacturing in the US contribute more to the global greenhouse emissions than if those same chips are manufactured in China?

    You're not very good at this!
     
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    It is corporate welfare. It is also national security.

    We are currently dependent on Taiwan for the bulk of our processors that now run nearly all aspects of day to day life. A conflict with China therefore could disrupt nearly all aspects of day to day life. Also our military is dependent on those processors. China wouldn't even have to take over Taiwan to deny us access to Taiwans processors, they could just blockade them and dare us into an offsenvie war.

    Or we can make the processors here. Its really the best solution, and its one of the few good things in the massive omnibus infrastructure bill worth passing. I would say it was the bread part of that **** sandwich. Too bad we couldn't leave the **** out...
     
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    Then maybe you should have dug a little deeper yourself.

    According to the EPA, industry as a whole contributes only 21% to global emissions. It’s impossible that a single industry contributes 31% when all industries contribute only 21%.

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    https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data
     
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    Let's just post a different area of EMPLOYMENT from a different venue..seeing the OP never posts anything positive about the economy or an affect upon it.
    US economy added a whopping 303,000 jobs last month, far outpacing expectations
    What we're covering here
     
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    I think you have lost the plot.
    We as a nation have lost the advanced computer chip manufacturing business to Taiwan. Taiwan makes the smallest and most efficient computer chips.
    In essence we are doing what China did: We are adding over production into the world markets. But it is not cement and glass, it is one the most critical components in our electronic lives, and it is critical for our defense.
    Corporate welfare?
    If you want to call building domestic manufacturing capacity of critical computer chips to protect ourselves from Chinese leverage welfare, THEN WHAT IN THE BLEEP DO YOU CALL GREEN SUBSIDIES?
    The Chinese threat to our economy is real
    The Global Change industry only exists because well meaning, albeit bored billionaires are trying to add meaning to their lives.
     
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  15. sec

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    I don't bother responding to your inane requests.

    Do you understand that the environmentalist special interests and Democrat party ran the fabs out of this country?

    Now we hear from the Democrat party that they want to use taxpayer dollars, our money, to fix their screwing of the pooch
     
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    Do you understand that the cleanliness of the environment and safe working conditions are paramount to some individuals.
    If you , yourself, do not care about what environment you live in,....volunteer having waste products put RIGHT in YOUR backyard.
    Companies should and need to be held accountable for their actions.
    If it is producing a byproduct that is hazardous, should they not be compelled to clean up the situation.
    Check on line for the worst environmental areas.
    Bring your pick-up to the site and take some home and let your entire family and neighbors enjoy.


     
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    You see that GOV the in the link, you might not want to take it seriously, just saying ;)

    Where you go wrong is you're not taking into fact the energy it takes to produce them. Semiconductor contribute to that chart, thus are part off the total. But I'm sure you knew that..
     
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    It is impossible for a single industry to be responsible for 31% of global greenhouse gas emissions, when industrial activity as a whole only contributes 21%.
     
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    What vital product or service is Intel supplying to the US Government for the money as Haliburton did?
     
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    I believe they were using the accepted leftist term for it.
     
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    And yet there is a plethora of studies confirming it.. like I mentioned among all the contributing factor associated with the manufacturing of chips and all factories producing that PRODUCT, it doesn't shock me in the least..
     
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    More factories and less environmentalist breathing down thier necks.. Our government is stocked well with liars and propagandists..
     
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    The source of the data is from the IPCC and dated 2014 and is a body of the United Nations.
     

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