for anybody that believes trump actually has a chance..explain this

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s a fact that every presidential candidate since 1960 who raised and spent the most money won with one lone exception. 2016 when Clinton raised and spent 1.191 billion to Trump’s 646.8 million.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/


    As of today, Trump stands a very good chance. He leads in the popular vote in the two candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden and leads in the 5 candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein


    In states where one or the other candidate has at least a 5 point or more lead, Trump leads in the electoral college 246-226 with 5 tossup states. States where one or the other candidate’s lead is less than 5 points. Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Those 5 tossup states, Trump won but one in 2020 North Carolina, Biden won the rest.


    https://www.270towin.com/


    Most devastating is the fact most Americans don’t want this rematch. 34% of all Americans have a favorable view of Biden, but not Trump, 37% of all Americans have a favorable view of Trump, but not Biden, 26% have an unfavorable view of both Trump and Biden. Both are highly disliked. Independents, the election deciders, a group Biden won 54-41 over Trump in 2020. Their view is much worse than all Americans. Only 27% of independents have a positive view of Biden but not Trump, 31% have a favorable view of Trump, but not Biden, 37% of independents have a negative view of both Trump and Biden.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ve-unfavorable-views-of-both-biden-and-trump/


    There’s very little enthusiasm out there for this rematch, very little enthusiasm to get out and vote in the presidential election. For this reason, I’ll predict a very low voter turnout with a high third-party vote, ALA 2016 when both major party candidates were disliked and unwanted. Not at all like 2020 when there was a very high voter turnout with a very low third-party vote.
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do you dislike Trump so?

    Is it the cheaper gas he provided?

    The more secure borders?

    The lower inflation?

    The stronger military.

    The no new wars?

    Was it the Abraham Accords?

    The fact that he captured ISIS' capitol city (Raqqa)?

    Why do you hate him so?
     
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    The polling numbers should not even be close, but they are. This is what makes me nervous.
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know a grifter when I see one.. I dont like trump because he is mentally ill

    trump had nothing to do with cheaper gas...Covid is what made gas cheap...

    there was no demand for gas during the lockdown of the world..
    demand dictates the price of a product most of the time

    dont forget,,,it was not only the usa that was locked down...the entire world locked down

    trump did not secure the borders..he took money from the military budget and spent it on the useless wall

    then for an entire year of his campaign his slogan was "when Biden wins the border will be open"

    trump was basically inviting immigrants to flood the border when he lost
    and one month ago a bill was presented by the GOP to stop the flood of immigrants..trump had it stopped

    the USA has a lower inflation rate today than any other modern country in the world

    instead of dealing with inflation, trump would have just declared the country bankrupt.

    stronger military?? wrong again...General Mark Milley after a 40+ year military career ..refused to endorse trump
    both Milly and Mark Esper have went on record as saying Trump is unfit for office

    trump is the guy that wanted to explode a nuclear bomb to stop a hurricane

    hamas re-kindled the war in Israel,,no matter who is president..hamas hates the west

    and Putin began planning on invading Ukraine long before trump was gone

    allotta good the Abraham Accords did...Israel is once again in a hot war with a neighbor

    trump did nothing in the middle east...except invite terrorists to camp david for a pow wow

    trump gave the ok to kill Solimani...do you think he masterminded the execution??

    I agree with every former trump cabinet member that claims trump is unfit for office
    from Bill Barr to Mike pence to practically every former trump staff member when they say

    "trump is unfit for office"
     
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  7. AARguy

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    Trump is mentally ill? Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist? Or just another another liberal which expertise in everything and more knowledge than anyone else?

    Gas was cheap because Biden hadn't raised "royalties" on oil from wells on federal lands, limited drilling licenses, stopped pipelines and discouraged fracking. Leave COVID out of it. Biden drove gas prices through the roof without it.
    - Consumers Pay The Price As Biden’s War On Oil And Gas Expands (forbes.com)
    - Biden’s War on Oil Hits Consumers - WSJ

    And I should care if Sri Lanka was shut down... why? I'm just glad I live in Texas where our wonderful governor outlawed all the China Virus Tyranny (school shut downs, business shut downs, mandatory masks, etc.) in June 2021.

    Biden opened the ... look at the numbers from 2021 when he took over.
    Illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border

    Biden opened the borders wide. The numbers prove it.

    The bill in question now allows 5,000 illegals per day. That is no solution. No help at all. Biden endorses emerging deal to give US new power to clamp down on border crossings | CNN Politics

    Inflation... Biden vs Trump... Trump wins hands down.

    INFLATION

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    Trump would have declared the US bankrupt? Where'd you get that? Tea leaves? Tarot cards? Crystal ball? Or do you just "hear voices"?

    The military under Biden is weak. It can't even meet its recruiting goals.

    Trump didn't want to explode a nuke to stop a hurricane. When you hear someone yell "KILL THE UMPIRE!" at a baseball game... do you REALLY BELIEVE they want to murder the umpire? I mean... come on.

    Yes, Hamas started the current war.

    Putin had plans, but he was EMBOLDENED by Biden's cowardice in Afghanistan... running away in such panic and chaos that he left Americans and allies behind and armed the Taliban in the process.

    GazaPalestine/whatever was not a signatory of the Abraham Accords. The signatories remain at peace and are cooperating more than ever.

    Trump gave the green light to take out Solameini (sp). You have a problem with eliminating terrorists?

    Please cite references for your assertion that EVERY Trump cabinet minister said such things. Methinks it is BS.

    Trump is fit for office on every issue. Check out the current polls.
     
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    None of which matters, you answered your own question. This money came from the political/cultural elites but they only have one vote each and people vote for Trump to rebel against them, same as the against the GOP hierarchy. The GOP didn't decide to go for Trump, the voters chose him and the GOP were dragged along.
     
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  9. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am not a car mechanic...but I know when my car is not running correctly..

    in regards to trump...the man is nuckin futs...just listen to him or watch his actions...
    only a mentally ill person could say the things or do the things trump does..sanity has long since left the trump building

    Big Oil is making record profits..seems it is doing fine despite whatever Biden has done..
    just google biden and oil..drilling is at an all time high

    and you view is typical of a texan..but here is a newflash...the world is bigger than texas ...
    if things dont matter in sir lanka then why do they matter in the middle east?? the USA is the leader of the world

    more drugs have been confiscated under biden than trump at the border...the recently border billl was a good bill written by the GOP senators ..like it or not...many GOP senators endorsed the bill...trump stopped it ..the border crisis now belongs to trump

    since Biden took office inflation has went from over 8% to under 4%..this is half if math is difficult

    judging from Trumps lifetime track record...he has bankrupted 7 different companies ...and paid a $25 million dollar fine for scamming hard working american that paid trump university...did they learn how to be a scam artists there??

    military recruitment has been down since the draft ended bank in 1973

    and last I heard a baseball fan does not have the codes to the nuclear arsenal...words matter when leader of the world

    the middle east has been a clusterfluck since the end of WW2...nobody has solved it...Jimmy carter is the last president to actually have an impact in the midde east

    biden was brave to pull out of afganastan after 20+ years...he took the heat like a man and did not blame others for thigs that went wrong...and the equipment left behind will not be able to be maintained by the Taliban..the replacement parts are made in USA!!

    and Obuma gave the green light to kill Bin laden...so what??

    and her is link of former tramp cabnet member that refuse to endorse trumo

    https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-former-donald-trump-officials-refusing-endorse-him-1882733

    there are some heavy hitters on this list
     
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    And Liz Cheney drew a surprisingly large crowd on Wednesday last week in Iowa. I don't the current polling is representative.
    Liz Cheney Draws Big Crowd in Iowa, Argues Trump’s J6 Trial Must Happen Before The Election: ‘He Knows How Damaging That Will Be’
     
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    Innuendo?

    INNUENDO?

    He has been found liable for fraud, liable for defamation, liable for sexual assault. These are not "innuendos". These are findings of FACT by a court of law.
     
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    With WW3 tip toeing in on kitten's feet, and people in the country beginning to wonder "what will a national bankruptcy be like?" And "what are we going to do with all of these illegals". You might ask yourself why you are supporting the politicians responsible.
    And, BTW. Google for articles on what happens if the US becomes insolvent. There are precious few beyond overly geeky vaguely serious wordy non-solutions.
    IOW, our national leaders in government and finance are not even talking about it. Why? They don't know what to say because the truth is too scary.
     
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    I can go on National TV and announce that Donald Trump has sexually assaulted a woman and he cannot sue of libel or defamation. Why? Because a court found him liable for sexual assault. That means the statement that "Donald Trump has sexually assaulted a woman." is legally a statement of fact. You cannot sue someone if the statement is factual.

    I can announce he engaged in fraud. Legally a factual statement
    I can announce that he defamed someone. Legally a factual statement.

    It is legally impossible to libel or defame someone with a factual statement
     
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    You condemn Trump fort some vague "things he says".. but you list NOTHING specific. You have NO FACTS... just vague, vacuous accusations about "things he does"... with NO SPECIFICS. No explanations... no specifics... sounds like BS.

    Drilling at all an all time high does not cancel out the taxes Biden has raised on oil. More oil has no effect on Biden's added tax burden on consumers. For more details about Biden's WAR ON OIL... please refer to:
    - Consumers Pay The Price As Biden’s War On Oil And Gas Expands (forbes.com)
    - Biden’s War on Oil Hits Consumers - WSJ
    - Price Tag for Biden’s War on Oil and Gas - IER (instituteforenergyresearch.org)
    - Biden’s ‘war against oil’ is pushing prices up, US shale execs say (msn.com)

    Sri Lanka isn't a hotbed of terrorism. Terrorists are murdering American service members in the Middle East and attacking shipping. That isn't happening in Sri Lanka.

    "The US is the leader of the world"???? Not since Biden's cowardice in Afghanistan, failure to protect American airspace and sucking up to China.

    Trump cannot stop bills. He lost the veto power when he stopped being President. You did hear Trump is no longer President... didn't you?

    Inflation was 1.4% under Trump. Biden drove it up to 8%. We should be celebrating that it has gone down a bit to 4%. That's like being thankful that you've only been raped 4 times instead of 8. Makes no sense.

    Bankruptcy: 7 companies out of 550 and all of them "reorganization" not "liquidation". 7 out of 550. That's almost 100% success rate. Pretty darned good.

    "a perilous recruiting crisis began just after the United States fully withdrew from Afghanistan last summer, and it shows no sign of abating anytime soon. As a result, the U.S. military is shrinking, not because of any strategic choices, but simply because there aren’t enough qualified volunteers — and that may have enormous implications for the U.S. strategic position in an increasingly uncertain and dangerous world." (Addressing the U.S. Military Recruiting Crisis - War on the Rocks)

    Putin is nearing nuclear war while Biden forgives everyone for everything. Murdered citizens are no reason to close the border. The riot that overwhelmed the Texas Guard was followed by a liberal judge letting hundreds go free. If New York is nuked, Biden will probably just catch some rays at the beach.

    Trump got the Abraham Accords signed. The first actually SIGNED peace accords between Israel and any Arab nations. Trump also "impacted" the region when he captured Raqqa, ISIS' capitol city and Mosul, ISIS' largest city. He also stood up to Iran by eliminating the terrorist chief Solameini (sp). When Israel took out a similar Iranian murderer just today, Biden went nuts saying how awful that was, bragging about how he (Biden) had reacted to the murder of American servicemembers in the region in a more appropriate manner... taking out some empty warehouses.

    Bieden's cowardice with his chaotic skedaddle from Afghanistan , coupled with his failure to defend American airspace from the Chinese intelligence gather balloon and his failure to respond when Russia took out our multimillion dollar Predator over international waters in the Blck Sea... emboldened Putin to attack Ukraine and continues to embolden our aggressive enemies all over the world.

    The Taliban will slaughter a lot of folks with the weapons Biden gifted them before they need maintenance. Small arms maintenance is generally a USER function... same with most individua and crew served weapons.

    What has Obama giving that green light have to do with anything under discussion here? Nice try at diversion and changing the subject. It didn't work.

    Citizens, even cabinet members, have the right to their own opinion. I know that goes against the grain in the liberal world... but it remains a fact in America.
    So what?
     
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    trump posted on truth social over 70 times Easter sunday

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-easter-truth-social-messages-1885524

    then he refers to himself as the chosen one

    the man is nuts ,,
     
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    most of us who are going to vote for Trump care about the state of the country, the judicial picks, the cost of gas, and securing the border. Biden supporters have to complain about Trump because there is nothing really positive to say about the worst president this country has seen since Jimmy carter
     
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    The Mango Mussolini does not have a chance. He's going to get wiped out and it will be YUGE!!!! The media needs a horse race, so they won't tell you this.
     
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    Trump was my last choice among the Republican primary candidates. I would have taken Pence over Trump despite the fact that Pence would have been a pathetic, Casper Milk Toast candidate who would have been like a Christian getting fed to the Democrat lions.

    @Turtledude sums it up perfectly. We now a choice between a flawed candidate and an old man with dementia who is a figurehead for a movement that is out to turn this country into an oligarchy that is controlled by a comparatively small number of elites. I never thought that the movement that far left students with whom I attended college in the late 1960s would devolve into this, but they have. Democracy and human rights are not part of the socialist template.
     
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    Rich elitist globalist donors.

    Common working man donors.


    Any more questions?
     
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    Trump doesn't need as much money since he gets free press every day all day. Better get Biden raising more.
     
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    And what a press. You will need more than God's help if Trump gets in. He did little for the US in his Potus office, but more for himself and his family.
     
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    Actually he did more for the country than any president in my lifetime but he gets no credit because of his unsavory personality.
     
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    Most of what he did was already started by Obama. All Presidents/National leaders are tied to finishing things started by their predecessor or causing chaos.

    Still you believe as you will. He made himself look foolish several times by trying to do things that no-one with any commonsense could do. Kim played him. Putin played him. He got nowhere with China. While trying to MAGA by concentrating on the USA he had the Chinese laughing as they gradually increased their influence across the world while the US looked inward. At least 2 South American countries are now indebted to China.. Like it or not no nation can isolate itself in this modern world.
     
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