Is there any way we, the people can secure the Southern border?

I was thinking of a crowd-funded militia, one for each state on the Southern border, and if
one state did not raise a militia, then they are the one that gets flooded by immigrants.

In some ways the devil is in the details.

Militia members should have non-lethal equipment, a stick or a taser as well as a gun.

Some will come by plane. The the airline will check entry rights before letting them on the
plane because if refused at the border, the airline will need to take them back.

I'm really looking for more suggestions or for approval or both or other comments.

 

If the Fed govt keeps making it difficult to stop them the people can only do so much.

 

We the people can do something, but will we? No.

We the people could abandon our biases that tell us the other side is the problem and instead take a hard look at how our side is a part of the problem, then take responsibility for our failures and fix the problem. Will we the people do that? Nope! It’s just easier to pretend that it is the other side that is the problem while stroking our own ego admiring our superiority. That is our nature. Narcissism and self-deception.

 

Yes, the psychology of the 'them and us' thinking means if there
are two parties, then the blue team always backs their President
however bad he is, and I noticed in the G W Bush era people
backed him even though he was

the same actual party as Biden is. Detail is G W B in term 1 was
known to be inexperienced and largely ignored, while the Neocons
in his administration called the shots.

Similarly Biden is the guy who reads off the teleprompter and he
is largely surrounded by Neocons.

The 'two-party system' is a myth but it casts a spell on half the
population to believe that they just need to wait until their party
gets in and then everything will be OK.

 

You ask a question in the title then have a different question for the poll. The public can’t do it. The Federal Government will not allow it. You could shoot an illegal who is robbing your house and end up in jail.

The Federal Government goes to court when the State of Texas tries to control the border. What options do private citizens have?

 

A private militia doing work that is the province of the Border patrol would be illegal.

The border is the jurisdiction of the federal government, not that of the states. There's a fight in Texas courts over this very issue.

Do you mean at non ports of entry?

That depends on how much we are willing to spend, and the more we spend, the more secure, but it will never be absolute given that half of illegals in America are visa overstays.

At ports of entry, closing the border is impossible because of

1. $3 billion worth of durable goods of trade between Mexico and USA cross the border each day.
2 Thousands of people live in one country, and work in the other, and must cross the border.
3. Thousands of people have passports and need to cross the border for one reason or another.

So, the issue at ports of entry is, do we have the resources to catch all the drugs and illicit traffic?

That depends on how much we want to spend and currently, the Senate Border bill, which allocated a 118 billion to beef up security, was rejected by Mike Johnson under Trump's orders, because he wants to make the border problem a campaign issue and doesn't want Biden to get any credit for any success.

The real problem, is lack of cooperation from Speaker Mike Johnson.

Johnson makes the cop out that the border problem can be solved by executive order.

We know that is false because if that were true, why didn't any of the prior presidents do it?

There it is, it's not true. There's only so much a president can do, and the rest depends on congress enacting legislation to provide more resources to tackle the massive problem.

Copilot reports:

The recently unveiled Senate border security bill allocates a total of $118 billion for various purposes related to national security and border management12. Here are the key highlights:

1. Tougher Migration Rules:
   • The bill aims to enhance border security by funding an increase in ICE detention capacity from 34,000 to 50,000.
   • Individuals who arrive in the U.S. illegally would not be eligible to claim amnesty.
   • The government would have the authority to shut down the border when encounters reach specific thresholds: either a 7-day rolling average of 5,000 encounters per day or 8,500 encounters in a single day.
   • When encounters approach 4,000 people a day, the U.S. government can voluntarily turn away all individuals at border stations.
   • Asylum cases would be fast-tracked from years to months, and there would be tougher asylum requirements, including examining claimants’ criminal history and assessing whether they could have resettled in another country on their way to the U.S.
2. Boost To Border Patrol:
   • The bill allocates $20 billion to immigration enforcement.
   • This includes hiring additional Border Patrol agents and new officers to evaluate claims.
   • The number of deportation flights would also increase.

But Johnson says 'no'.

The problem is Johnson.

 

I am still starting a thread and then thinking of the poll afterward,
I really needed one poll for the title and a different one for the poll,
or something.

I guess what we really need is some way for the public to influence
the government.

The good thing is Vladimir Putin knows about that problem and is
being patient with the nation, if we were all rude and arrogant like
Biden we'd all be toast by now.

 

The only way "to influence the government" is to vote out the Democrats. They listen to no one except for their billionaire downers who have a vision of how "the little people" should have live like chickens in coop, never travel, shut up and cause as little trouble for them is possible. Guys like Bill Gates, George Soros and Al Gore suck dead rats.

 

Patricio Da Silva:

I hear your concern, I have seen it done though.

Freight came in checked and locked containers
or backs of trucks locked and marked TIR.

Drivers and any personnel are 100% document
checked and ditto passengers. Anyone coming in
a non port of entry comes up on camera and is
likely to be stopped.

There were no deportation flights included in the
budget. If anyone somehow got onto a flight they
would be taken back by the carrier.

I'm not sure why we need more border agents,
maybe if we didn't invite so many people in,
or...
maybe we should send the democrats out of
the country to their beloved foreigners.

 

What you are describing is criminal vigilantism.

 

what the govt does is Ok but what individuals or
a group does even if within the law, is not OK?

Isn't it illegal to attempt to enter the country
without permission, it is a crime?

 

Why on earth should we allow even close to 5000/day? Why would we spend a dime on this? All Biden has to do is reinstitute the 90+ executive actions he bragged about rescinding. We need 0 illegal entries! That sounds about right. Then we can boost the process of legal entries after we deport the largest majority of illegals let in by this piece of crap.

 

Not if they can get a Marshal to deputies them.. And many of them would.

 

I think a better question would be, how are people this lacking mathematically? And this is in an age of calculators

 

I've posted this before, so the readers digest version.

1. Only accept applications for asylum/immigration at our overseas offices.
2. Bond visas.
3. Put real teeth into penalties for hiring ILLEGAL MIGRANTS. Make e-verifile mandatory for all jobs.
4. Sort out the estimated 20 MILLION ILLEGAL MIGRANTS here now and either deport them or make them legal citizens.

 

Many thanks for this, that's a great idea.

 

Yeah, right

 

I think you meant to say deport the estimated 35+ million illegals and there's no way in hell they should ever be allowed a path to citizenship.

Finish the wall. Everywhere. Electrify the wall. Stock the Rio with thousands of alligators. If this doesn't work, then use force.

All this pussyfooting around won't solve anything. The country will collapse because of this bullshit. The CBO is predicting a $55 trillion debt within 10 years.

If you think housing is unaffordable now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

A Trump victory in 2024... problem solved.

 

However many there are now here ILLEGALLY they need to be dealt with. Once the border is secured we can sort out the desireable from the undesireable.

 

Honesty, don't you just love it. Be great if every politician in the house of sin were as solid as ol Chip..

 

Once the border is tightened up, we should just follow the guidelines of Reagans amnesty bill ans start holding companies larg and small to the letter of the law..

No papers, no work. If caught using undocumented labor fine their ass's off They'll get tired of making lame excuses

 

The way to secure the border from illegal crossings is to make our country wholly and totally inhospitable to illegal aliens. They should have NO options for work, feeding themselves, housing themselves, education or healthcare, if they enter illegally. Anyone who provides those things to an illegal alien should be guilty of a federal crime, and fined and/or jailed. Bounties should be paid for apprehending and turning over any illegal alien.

Then, a robust alien worker program should be instituted to allow legal temporary entry for seasonal workers.

Problem solved.

 

I think the only way it could work is if volunteers worked to monitor the border and officials reaponded to handle reported crossings. But that requires enough resources to intercept and reverse the crossings, and most importantly a mandate to do so. We dont have enough of those two things for volunteer monitoring to make a big impact. As it is now, most reported crossings would be ignored or welcomed instead of turned back. But there is nothing (that Im aware of) that prevents volunteering to monitor border crossings if you want to do it. Some already do, and it helps ...but its not going to fix the problem. Also its dangerous. Coyotes, drug runners and foreign agents arent likely to react peaceably to being monitored.

 

So what similar term would you use to describe the government's lack of action on one of their primary duties?