Is there any way we, the people can secure the Southern border?

That's why if you volunteer for dangerous duty like that you go out there well armed and be ready to shoot because they're going to be ready to shoot you.

 

They are all undesirable.

This latest influx of illegals now means you need 3x the amount of money you needed to retire as opposed to 4 years ago.

An open border is nothing but a huge tax increase through devaluation of the dollar.

Illegals are dead weight.

 

The government has been acting. In fact, the admin was in favor of bill that would help even more with that. But y'boy killed that.

 

What other fairytales would you like to share?

 

Thats a given. But it doesnt make it any less dangerous. And shooting all the folks that try to kill you still doesnt stop the rest. And I dont think we should shoot people that just want to live here. We should stop them, there are too many coming, but we're better than shooting them.

 

A bill that 'limited' immigration to double the current rates. That doesnt solve the problem of too much immigration. It just legitimizes it so the govt can excuse not addressing it properly. Its the laziest way of avoiding solving the problem. Basically its the state version of buying new dishes instead of washing dishes.

 

The claim you are referring to was a blatant misrepresentation. You've been lied to.

 

All of those sentiments are good and well but if they shoot at you first.... You have a right and even a duty to return fire and let them know why that's a bad idea.

No patriotic American citizens should go anywhere these days without being armed

 

You're not going to insult his argument by calling it dumber than dog s***?

Are we supposed to just believe you at this point?

Perhaps if you could simply provide some evidence of your claim it would go a long ways towards proving it

 

I'm not even sure I could qualify it as an "argument" to begin with. As for the vague request: you ask for evidence, but you don't specify. What evidence are you asking for?

 

You responded to w pretty specific post and made a pretty specific denial about it.

I don't think it's really that vague

 

Did you read the bill? I read the bill. It allowed the feds to shut down immigration after a certain daily amount. That daily amount was double the daily average. Meaning when a 'surge' hits, the feds only have to process a certain amount that day. The rest have to wait til the next day. It was just a way to reduce surge processing resources by expanding processing time while not reducing overall immigration in any way.

 

Uh, reality check:

Deporting 35 million undocumented migrants from the United States would indeed be an extraordinary logistical, legal, and humanitarian challenge, far beyond the capabilities of any government or organization. Let's delve into the excruciating details:

1. Identification and Location: Firstly, identifying and locating all 35 million undocumented migrants would be immensely difficult. Many live under the radar, making it challenging for authorities to track them down.
   
   
2. Legal Proceedings: Once located, each individual would require legal proceedings to determine their immigration status. This process involves providing evidence, hearings, appeals, and potentially years of legal battles.
   
   
3. Transportation: Assuming a decision for deportation is made, arranging transportation for 35 million people would be a monumental task. This would require a vast fleet of buses, trains, planes, and ships.
   
   
4. Detention Facilities: Pending deportation, individuals would need to be housed in detention facilities. Building and maintaining such facilities for millions of people would require significant resources and space.
   
   
5. Personnel: The number of personnel required to oversee the deportation process would be staggering. This includes law enforcement officers, immigration officials, legal experts, healthcare workers, and administrative staff.
   
   
6. Legal Challenges: The deportation of millions of people would inevitably face legal challenges at every stage. Human rights organizations, advocacy groups, and concerned citizens would file lawsuits, further complicating the process.
   
   
7. International Relations: Deporting such a large number of individuals could strain diplomatic relations with countries of origin. Negotiating agreements for repatriation and ensuring the safety and well-being of deportees would be complex and time-consuming.
   
   
8. Cost: The financial cost of deporting 35 million people would be astronomical. It would require billions, if not trillions, of dollars in funding for enforcement, legal proceedings, detention facilities, transportation, and more.
   
   
9. Social Impact: Mass deportations would have significant social consequences, including disruption to families, communities, and the economy. It could lead to labor shortages, economic instability, and social unrest.
   
   
10. Humanitarian Concerns: Lastly, the humanitarian implications of such a massive deportation effort cannot be overstated. Many undocumented migrants have lived in the United States for years, contributing to society and building lives for themselves and their families. Forced removal would cause immense suffering and hardship.

So, while the idea of deporting 35 million undocumented migrants may appeal to some as a solution to immigration issues, the sheer scale and complexity of such an undertaking make it logistically, legally, and morally impossible. It would require resources and coordination on a scale far beyond anything ever attempted, and the social and humanitarian costs would be incalculable. As such, more realistic and humane approaches to immigration reform are necessary to address these challenges effectively.

But, of course, many on the right do not, or cannot, think things through to their absurd conclusion.

Okay, let's delve into the detailed challenges and implications of building a wall across the entire southern border of the United States, considering the fact that approximately half of undocumented immigrants enter the country through visa overstays rather than illegal border crossings:

1. Scope and Scale: The U.S.-Mexico border spans approximately 1,954 miles (3,145 kilometers) across diverse terrain, including deserts, mountains, rivers, and urban areas. Building a continuous wall along this entire stretch would be a monumental engineering feat.
   
   
2. Cost: Estimates for the cost of such a wall vary widely, but they all run into the tens of billions of dollars. This includes not just the construction of the physical barrier, but also land acquisition, environmental assessments, legal challenges, maintenance, and staffing.
   
   
3. Logistics of Construction: Constructing a wall across such varied terrain presents numerous logistical challenges. Building in remote desert regions or rugged mountains would require transporting materials and machinery over long distances, adding to costs and complexity.
   
   
4. Environmental Impact: The construction of a border wall would have significant environmental consequences. It could disrupt ecosystems, block migration routes for wildlife, and harm endangered species. Environmental assessments and mitigation efforts would be necessary, potentially delaying construction and increasing costs.
   
   
5. Legal Challenges: Acquiring the land needed for the wall would likely involve eminent domain proceedings, sparking legal battles with landowners and environmental groups. These legal challenges could drag on for years, delaying or even halting construction.
   
   
6. Effectiveness: Even if a wall were successfully built, its effectiveness in reducing illegal immigration is questionable. As you mentioned, approximately half of undocumented immigrants in the United States are visa overstays, meaning they entered legally but remained in the country after their visas expired. A wall would do little to address this issue.
   
   
7. Tunnels and Other Methods: Smugglers and migrants are resourceful and have proven adept at finding ways to circumvent physical barriers. This includes digging tunnels under existing border fences, using boats to bypass coastal barriers, or simply finding areas where the wall is less fortified.
   
   
8. Diplomatic Relations: Building a wall along the entire southern border could strain diplomatic relations with Mexico, a key U.S. ally and trading partner. It could exacerbate tensions and hinder cooperation on important issues such as trade, security, and drug trafficking.
   
   
9. National Unity: The construction of a border wall has been a divisive issue in the United States, sparking political polarization and social unrest. It could further deepen divisions within the country and undermine efforts to find bipartisan solutions to immigration reform.
   
   
10. Opportunity Cost: Finally, the vast resources and attention devoted to building a border wall could be better spent on addressing other pressing issues, such as improving infrastructure, healthcare, education, and immigration enforcement strategies that target visa overstays and employers who hire undocumented workers.
    

In conclusion, while the idea of building a wall across the entire southern border may appeal to some as a solution to illegal immigration, the practical challenges, environmental impact, legal hurdles, and effectiveness of such a barrier make it a highly controversial and questionable endeavor. Addressing the complexities of immigration requires comprehensive and nuanced approaches that go beyond simple physical barriers.

OOh boy, you are going for strike three insofar as reality.

Uhh, once again, reality check:

.News at 11, "Reports came in today that children were executed by an electrified wall down at the border at the Rio Grande."

Yeah, that'll go over just swell.

News at 11, "Reports came in today that a group of alligators ate some children down at the border at the Rio Grande."

Brilliant.

Force? What does that even mean?

Uh, reality check:

illegals do not cause housing prices to rise, Walls Street investors, foreign investors, etc., are driving up prices, it's called VULTURE CAPITALISM.

 

Sure, give work visas rapidly to those who wish to come work. Don't hinder those leaving which is the only time the wall is effective. Finally worry about the drug smugglers not the workers.

Before workers came without their families because it was easy to cross back and forth for work. The wall does little to stop drug smuggling, that simply isn't the route they take, not on any large scale. But it does make leaving the country much harder and expensive which encourages them to stay much longer and bring their families. Seriously, if you make it easy for workers to come and go without their families and make it easy for mostly seasonal agricultural businesses to temp hire Central Americans and the whole families crossing becomes much more exclusive to those fleeing with their families because of trauma and I hope the US never abandons those people.

 

Is there any way we, the people can secure the Southern border?

Not legally. Government has all the power, not the people.

 

Not only that, they are imported by Progressives entirely for that purpose.....government dependency. Socialism /Marxism is their ultimate dream where only the elite prosper.

 

So it appears despite the claims that about a trillion dollars a year
is spent defending this country, none of it provides any defense.

The Posse Comitatus Act means a whole group can rush the
border and enter the country illegally and the National Guard,
the Army, the Marines, the public, are not allowed to stop them.

That trillion dollars a year does essentially nothing to defend
the country.

Congress is lying, the President is lying and most of us, the
public are lying to each other.

 

Your marxist message may work on the uninformed and clueless, but spare your keystrokes on me sir. FYI, I'm a vulture investor.....you're so wrong it's laughable.

 

Illegals just move into existing houses and Squat! Your logic sir pairs well with the progressive idea "our immigration system is broken ". It isn't broken. We've heard that idea for several decades now. It just isn't enforced! Once it is enforced for a couple years, it could be modified, but we only take in desirables that speak English and can contribute to our system. VULTURE IMMIGRATION will turn us into a Marxist Nation where capitalism is non-existent.

We find 'em....we deport 'em. We enforce laws against employing them or renting to them. A lot of them will leave. Just make it very uncomfortable.

 

I'm not a marxist, but I've heard that claptrap from you right wingers, john birchers, for 60 f*cking years, and was horsesh*t in the 60s, and it is still horsesh^t.

Neoliberalism/libertarianism/hard right-ism leads to wealth and power aggregating to fewer and fewer hands.

You think criticism on this point equals marxism, but all that is is a strawman fear mongering, boogyman bullshit.

I got bad news for you, the electorate leans left.

 

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boogeyman fear mongering bullshit. Congratulations, you've been conned.

Name one president who has secured the border.

I'll be waiting.

 

Well you actually got this part correct. It leans to free sh!t voters, because we've let in millions of migrants that have spit out anchor babies that still have the gimme free sh!t mentality of the failing socialist countries south of our border their parents illegally migrated from.

When your country is flooded with migrants from shithole counties, your country becomes a shithole.

 

You've been conned if you celebrate the illegal entries. Trump did a lot better than what we have now. Part of it is in advertising. You let them know we hunt down and expel illegal entries. You demand harsh sentences on employers that hire them in any fashion. What you don't do is "catch and release", give them transportation, gift cards, and housing, as well as medical benefits. I bet you are all for that giveaway bullshit! Trump will get it right and with a vengeance! "Operation wetback" is where we will go again.

Patricio, how many terrorists, rapists, and MS-13 members are you housing now?