The Diversity Experiment Has Failed Spectacularly...Bring Back The BEST QUALIFIED People!!

The comment hasn't expired, but my interest in responding to a year old comment has. I'm sure I've written plenty recently that will trigger you.

 

If there is no wealth everyone is poor.

 

Yeah, I realized that after I typed it, but you were going on about DEI being "Orwellian" at the time.
I'll get to your 10 commandments when there is more time.

 

Yet one of the greatest general of Dark age Byzantium was born a slave and made a eunuch. There is an old saying that talent will out but that is only true when government doesn't spend all its time swatting talent that doesn't suit it's memes into the sun.

 

And how do we get equal education opportunities?

 

Enroll your children in public school, it's made available to everyone free of charge.

 

You honestly believe suburban public schools and inner city schools are equal?
Shenanigans.

 

When I was a kid my high school had a calculator, with tubes, went crazy if you divided by zero. Got to college and had classmates who had the latest IBMs in theirs.

 

A lefty who openly supports racism....I'm shocked.

 

Schools in my county are like third lowest in the state. As a parent if I wanted better for my child than that, I would move to a different area.

It may not be fair but a lot of things in life aren't fair and that's just the way it is. It's not like the white kids going to the ghetto schools are getting any more of an education than the black kids

 

DEI is usually a misnomer, and yes, orwellian, being the opposite of those words. ACTUAL Diversity, Education and Inclusion are good things.

 

That's easy to say but not always an option. The problem here is that your schools are funded by local taxes, yes? Maybe you could change that and fund schools with state or federal taxes instead, giving equal resources to all as much as possible.

That's true. We to often see a racist conflation of race for wealth / place of residence. Underprivileged poor kids should get help, regardless of race. Equating race to poverty is a form of racism.

 

1. Many states have state contract set asides for minority, women and the disabled owned companies. Percentages can be anywhere from 5 to 10%. Is that what you mean by white male company owners are being discriminated against because of their race? Or is it giving an in for companies that would not normally be able to bid against established large companies.

2. Attempting to purge society of racism has been going on forever. It has pushed overt racism underground but not out of mind, as seen here. But many people are proud of their ethnicity. Being "white" is not an ethnicity. Being Irish American or Polish American is. Being African American and Mexican American is. It is not racist, it is part of that persons culture and can be celebrated without hurting the rights of others.

3. Agreed "cultural appropriation" comments are largely BS from sniveling thin skinned lefties but some are legit like from Native Americans complaining about dancers shaking their tits while wearing traditional head dresses. And its just like the religious right that goes ape if you use their religious iconography outside their prescribed religious purposes.

4. Yeah, that's the problem the US has. Being Black or African American has always been a synonym for the underclass. Not trusted, not competent, criminal class, less merit....Saying it should go away does not make it so.

5. That is what we have been doing and more whites use "welfare" than Blacks. Those programs helping a specific demographic that are in greater need are not racist. The people that complain about them though, are. Look up the word.

6. Yes, gathering information on various demographics is a positive way to guide policy, but I am not sure what a "tool to create a false image of that progress" means.

7. Will make 6 more difficult and it would be difficult to do, without more government intrusion, but okay.

8. That is what most normal people strive for, but our culture was built on racism. Why is the media less objectionable?

9. I would refer to him as a guy in a wheelchair when appropriate and similar people have similar concerns. Those people can be by race, age, conservative, liberal, disability, sex....only race seems to bother you.

10.Anyone can be racist and it is widely accepted that its a bad thing to be. Even the racists on here insist they are not racist, but there is a larger problem. The US was built on superiority of the white culture, that is the model all other cultures should aspire to and those cultures that don't meet those standards makes the people of that culture a lower class. They have less value and merit. The Black culture got special treatment above all others to make sure they would not succeed and now we have whites saying we've done everything we can, so they need to fix themselves. Uh, no we haven't.

 

I said nothing of "white male company owners". But yes, if the state is giving contracts based on the race of the company's owner, that's something that should stop immediately. If your concern is about giving smaller less established companies an advantage in bidding against larger more established companies, there is no reason to do that based on race. It can be done by the size and how established the company is. Are you generally for state sanctioned discrimination by race? I'm strongly against.

No, attempting to purge racism from society has not been going on forever. There was a time when racism against non-white people was considered accaptable. We've progressed since then and few still tolerate such racism, and now seek to purge it. And we have made significant progress in doing so. Do you deny that? Yes, racism still exists and we need to get rid of it. Pushing the message that race is a stupid thing to care about has been part of that. You didn't address the point.

And yes, being Irish or Polish or Mexican culture brought into America is a thing people enjoy celebrating, and there is nothing wrong with that. It isn't race. You can be black and Irish. Being a particular race isn't being a culture either. Just because I am have dark skin and asian eyes doesn't mean I have anything else in common with another given person who has dark skin and asian eyes. The more importance and cutlural significance you put on race, the more you ensure race tribal division and therefore racism. It encourages white american to define "American Culture" as White, which leaves peple of other races not welcome in the culture. That isn't something you should be encouraging.

Pushing for it to continue by constantly equating the two within policy will ensure that problem never does go away. When you do a poverty aid program based on being black rather than based on being poor, and conflate the two, you are pushing for rather than against this problem, and explicitly so. You can see that right? So stop it. Help all who need it, regardless of race. Since more black people need it, more will be helped than white peopel will, and it won't be pushing this problem or feeding into a race war.

Yes, they are. These programs don't help or harm demographics. They help or harm individuals. Individuals grouped together by a trait like race are not a monolith that can be treated as if they are one individual.Doing so is racial discrimination and racist.

You can use dispartity in group demographic averages as a way to help determine how much bias may be going on that needs to be dealt with. But if you take it beyond a guage, and try to use it as a tool, forcing group average numbers through affirmative action hiring or whatever else, these group averages then become far less accurate a guage of underlaying issues that need to be dealt with. It sweeps them under the rug. Giving even more privilege to a rich black kid raises the average wealth and privilege for black people, but does nothing whatsoever to help the poor underprivileged black kid a few neighbourhoods over. It makes him even more ignored.

It makes it easier to hire race blind, which should be the goal. Reading your responses above, that does not seem to be your goal. It is mine.

The upside of forcing racial "representation"/diversity is that it works against that problem of equating this or that race to this or that job or economic status, by presenting an image of the opposite (even when false). The more visible it is, the more powerful that is. I think it needs to be pretty damn powerful to justify the downside of forcing "representation"/diversity which is the methods used to force it, which are almost always blatant racial discrimination doing injustice to individuals based on their race and pretending they are somehow representative of individuals who are rich, powerful and overprivileged but have the same skin colour. It violates the very core principle of anti-racism, and thus opens doors and provides cover to racists of all stripes.

This is a thread about race. Some here have been defending blatant racial discrmination. So we're talking about race. That doesn't mean only race matters to me. We shouldn't be doing discrmination based on gender, sexual orientation, religion, or being in a wheel chair (hency my raising that example).

And you didn't address the point. We refer to the man in a wheel chair, as a man in a wheel chair, instead of as a wheel chair man, to encourage people to see the man first and his need for a wheelchair simply as one of his many traits, rather than the wheelchair first and the man as interchangeable with other people in wheel chairs. Same goes for individuals in regard to race. I'm not interchangeable with others who merely look like me.

This is more important than it may seem. It is the direct opposite of racism.

Glad we agree on that. Not everyone here does.

 

You honestly have no willingness to make things fair? Just live with unfairness?

Sad.

 

I just know that I'm one person and I don't suffer any illusions that this one man is going to change the world.

Even if I was to successfully run for school board, do you think I'm going to make all schools equal?

 

If you do your part and then everybody else does theirs we all live in a better place.

 

That sounds so very ideal.
What do you recommend I do to change the school system?

 

Wokesters want to make things fair by removing opportunities for White kids.

 

If you can't bring everything up to the same standard you can always reduce the standards of the other things.

 

Yet there is a fairly well known study of hiring practices in which two candidates with virtually identical resumes apply for a job. One with a Caucasian sounding name and one with a name associated with black people. Guess who got hired the majority of the time?

 

This excuse can be applied to most national problems, and if everyone took this position nothing would ever change.

Would schools being funded by state or federal rather than by municipal taxes change this? Why hasn't that been tried?

 

Still blue hasn't answered my questions so perhaps you can take a crack at it.... What exactly can I do to change the quality of education in the public school system?

 

Maybe that's because so many of them have such a particularly difficult time obtaining ID?

Every job I've ever had requires one

 

I would imagine that white business owners would prefer to hire white employees just as black business owners probably have an inherent bias towards black employees, asian to asian and so on and so forth. I have a friend who works for an indian own company a -tool and dye company- and by some crazy coincidence the company is 90% + indian. My wife owns a Vietnamese restaurant, guess how many white people work there? None! How does that happen bro?

Also not gonna lie, if I hear someone with a black sounding name, unfortunately the first thought in my head is some some loud, obnoxious black person going on and on about race related ****.