The Big Question: Does anyone know why we support Ukraine?

Other than the fourth there is simply no other logical reason among them. Currently neither the Ukraine or Russia is a functioning democracy so that can't be it. Hell at this stage of the game it is hard to know if the US is but we shall see in about five months. It is going to be really interesting to see how many governments change hands this year. There seem to be an awful lot of political dissidents around the world not just in the US who are beginning to suspect that their governments have signed them up for some sort of long term suicide pact and they aren't yet ready to die.

 

You work hard at trying to justify your beloved fuhrer’s support for the Russian invasion. And yours as well. These trolls are feeding you obvious lies that you accept because Agent Orange does too.

 

Sorry I am not voting for Biden...No one supports the Russian invasion and it would not have happened had Trump won om 2020.

 

MAGA has made it clear they are pro-Putin when it comes to Ukraine

 

Half true, somewhat twisted, Mobius strip with a hole punched in the middle.

Donald Trump wrote the art of the deal. Most likely did it efficiently by dictating a lot and getting
other bits filled in, like the classical master artists did.

There would have been no war in Ukraine if we had not built a huge army in Ukraine, yes,
same size as the US army and approximately equally well equipped.

The War is NOT because Ukraine was inadequately defended but because it THREATENED Russia.

 

after 4 years, Trump proved to us he did NOT know the art of the deal

 

The argument is we find the Russian imperialists in Ukraine or we fight them in Eastern Europe in the countries which used to be behind the old Soviet Iron curtain?

It's a reasonable argument given that Putin is a modern day Mussolini who wants to show his buddy Xi what a tough guy he is.

 

Trump publicly supports the Russian invasion. You support the traitor, so, by extension, you’re Putin’s pet as much as your beloved fuhrer is.

 

‘Also, Putin publicly stated his primary goal in attacking Ukraine was to take the first step in ringing the Iron Curtain back down.

 

False.

I doubt that Trump contributed much to The Art of the Deal, other than than his rambling monologues to his ghost writer.

Trump is very bad at making deals, and wel he’s on all of them.

The US did not build the Ukranian Army as you made up.

Ukraine was attacked by the Russians, who thought they could win a quick and easy victory which would lead them to reassert dominance in Eastern Europe. everyone in Europe knows that. which is why they are aiding Ukraine,upping their own defenses, and joining NATO.

Even as Putin’s pet and his cult continue to sing Moscow’s song.

 

Says the guy whose party is attacking free speech free religion and most of the rest of the bill of rights

 

freedom of speech doesn't mean people can't disagree with you, freedom of religion doesn't mean people can only believe your religion

 

No free speech means the government can't strong arm social media platforms into performing censorship for the government or in any other manner. Freedom of religion means the government can't investigate religious groups based on whether or not they agree with government narratives on one thing or the other.

 

yep, the twitter files told on the Trump admin

 

No it told on a rogue administrative state and its spy apparatus empowering itself at everyone elses expense including the president more often then not.

 

No, Trump does that. We have the video.

 

Wrong complaining about press coverage as has every president since Washington is not attacking free speech.

 

This guy gives a pretty good summary of the anti-establishment viewpoint. He gets to the point at the 11:30 time mark. At the 1:58:45 time mark he says that the US essentially controls NATO.

The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war A lecture by John J. Mearsheimer


If that video disappears, watch one of these.
https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...A9A7C4BF722B6A06B889A9A7C4BF722B&&FORM=VRDGAR

 

‘We have the video. Trump in his own words.

Trying to blame the press for what the clown actually says is one pathetic attempt at a deflection.

 

John Joseph Mearsheimer (/ˈmɪərʃaɪmər/; born December 14, 1947) is an American political scientist and international relations scholar who belongs to the realist school of thought.[3] He is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago.

Mearsheimer is best known for developing the theory of offensive realism, which describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system. In accordance with his theory, Mearsheimer believes that China's growing power will likely bring it into conflict with the United States.

In his 2007 book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Mearsheimer argues that the Israeli lobby wields disproportionate influence over U.S. foreign policy. His more recent work focuses on relations between the United States and China and the West's involvement in the war in Ukraine.

(from Wikipedia)

 

What part did you not understand? Complaining about your press coverage is what presidents always do. Trump never did anything other than bitch and tell one of them to take a hike if he couldn't ask a civil question. Obama spied on them tried to have one of them jailed and a host of other equally grotesque assaults on free speech.

 

If you want to know something about free speech just ask Julian Assange or Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning or Daniel Ellsberg, or a whole bunch of dead people.

 

I have a scientific background so have a complimentary approach to free speech.

To me it isn't just about what people are allowed to say but about what we are allowed to hear.

Americans are permitted to say what they like pretty much, but are not generally permitted to hear the truth, so we mostly just talk gibberish.

 

yep, it told on the Trump admin.... and yes, both sides were doing it

 

Actually they made up crap about Trump while shielding Biden. And no both sides don't do.