The Big Question: Does anyone know why we support Ukraine?

The usual answer isn't anything to do with right or wrong
or about which is more corrupt, but is all based on just one
single lie, the claim that Russia attacked on Feb 24 2022,
without justification.

But Kyiv bombarded Donetsk heavily from Feb 19th. The
'without justification' claim is itself not justified.

And if you just look, look at a map you will see Russian
forces are protecting Donetsk from further bombardment.

And as the US supplies longer ranged weapons it will be
necessary for Russian forces to move further West to
protect Donetsk.

 

Our support of the attack on Crocus City Hall was
based on the claim that Russia is the aggressor
and therefore any means are allowed to stop the
aggression.

But the claim that Russia is the aggressor has no
backing other than some crap Joe Biden read off
a teleprompter.

 

Yea its not like Russia attacked Ukraine or anything.

 

Do you have any kind of actual evidence?

Here is evidence that Joe Biden was lying.
On the 24th of Feb 2022 Joe read off the
teleprompter:
"Sorry to keep you waiting

The Russian military has begun a brutal assault
on the people of Ukraine without provocation,
without justification, without necessity. ..."

 

Because they are our allies and were attacked by an aggressive foreign power that threatens to continue expanding. And, yes, Russia's fascist invasion was completely without justification.

 

A lot of people who waited for Joe's announcement,
thought it had been delayed to get the latest news
and that it had just happened.

But I don't recall Joe saying when it had happened.

And as for the without necessity, the war had been
going on for 7 1/2 years at that point, but Joe didn't
actually say that it was without any justification or
and without any need.

The Gen Sec of NATO stated that the war had been
going on since 2014. Joe simply forgot to mention that.

 

Cool story. Fascist Russia still invaded without justification. **** them.

 

Funny how all the progressives tell us that Donald Trump was the best friend of Russia but yet they waited until we had a weak-ass milk toast president to launch their attack

 

Yes, the Biden narrative doesn't make much sense, but people
believe it anyway.

Biden went on in his speech to claim:
"He rejected every good faith effort the United States and our allies
and partners made to address our mutual security concerns through
dialog to avoid needless conflict and avert human suffering."

Yet once again this contradicts what NATO said, that the offer Pres.
Putin made, which was for the US to keep the promise made in
1991? not to move closer to Russia, was a totally unreasonable
request. Putin just wanted a promise kept,

But it was also clear that he was willing to compromise because
although he lodged formal complaints about NATO encroachment
he didn't do anything until NATO announced it would move into
Georgia and Ukraine

 

Why is the Ukraine "our" allies though?

 

NATO admits to rejecting the very reasonable offer Putin made

 

I have heard these same arguments made many times before.

Vietnam Then: if we don't stop communism here it will eventually be on our doorstep.
Vietnam Now: It was a mistake.
Afghanistan Then: We have to kill Bin Laden
Afghanistan Now: (I haven't heard the present day version)
Iraq Then: The first we will know about Iraq's nuclear bomb will be a mushroom cloud.
Iraq Later: We got it confused with Iran.
Ukraine Now: Russia Attacked, and that's all that matters
Ukraine in 5 years time: That was just a mistake.

 

Don’t waste your time responding to Russian propaganda farm fodder.

 

It couldn't be that anyone had bribed Biden...

 

You have as much evidence that he was bribed as you do that it was with leprechaun gold.

Also, fake news.

 

Was Donetsk part of Russia on February 19?

 

No it wasn't, but I recall we executed Saddam Hussain for murdering
his own people.

 

Now your applying relativism fallacies to defend Russia.

No, we didn't kill Saddam for killing his own people. We fought Iraq out of Kuwait, who was invaded much like Ukraine, and then we killed Saddam for violating sanctions imposed once he was restricted to his own country.

 

Putin knew after 4 years of Trump, Ukraine would be the weakest they been in a long time, especially after Trump got caught with his Quid Quo Pro

 

Lol, "reasonable offer." That's ****ing hilarious. No, Russia should not control what alliances, particularly defensive alliances, that other countries voluntarily enter into. And no one is actually dumb enough to buy the NATO excuse. NATO poses no threat to Russia. It poses a threat to Russian invasion. And Ukraine had, enshrined in its constitution, a stipulation that they had no plans to join NATO for now. That only changed AFTER Russia invaded. Even if they had been pursuing membership, this is the equivalent of saying, "But I had to shoot him your honor! He was about to put on a bullet proof vest!"

 

Gas. I think you identified the root cause.

For economic reasons the USSR's energy supply to the Warsaw Pact satellites was mostly via pipelines through Ukraine.

After the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine's major asset was the economic leverage that it could gain by charging transit fees and by siphoning off gas and oil for its own uses. This led to constant friction between Russia and Ukraine in the two decades before 2014.

The Russia hawks in the US and UK saw Ukraine as a potential key ally that could be used to throttle Russia's energy exports and foreign exchange earnings to their advantage. The Germans saw that too, and proceeded to arrange a bypass via NordStream, which peeved London and Washington. The latter then redoubled their color revolution efforts and managed to install a "pro-Western" government in 2014.

 

Just a note here: the meme he posted was a lie. I'm not saying he's lying, but the person who made the meme was lying. Biden's son, of course, once worked for a Ukrainian gas company. None of the children of the other three politicians have.

 

Thanks. In fact, Christopher Heinz ended his relationship with Hunter Biden and Archer in Rosemount Seneca due to their impending involvement in Burisma.

 

It's good to catch errors, that's the main value of this kind of media.