Electric cars will decide the outcome of the American election

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  1. Eclectic

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    "If Joe Biden loses to Donald Trump this November, he can apportion blame towards his administration’s many unforced errors, from the botched Afghanistan bug-out to the mess at the southern border. But the biggest blunder of all has yet to fully reveal itself: the ill-conceived drive to push electric vehicles into making up over three-fifths of all car purchases by the 2030s. "

    "Just last week the administration issued a draconian mileage requirement, one of many ‘nudge’ policies attempting to usher in an all-electric future. Replacing a massive $3 trillion industry with a singular technology represents a severe economic threat under any circumstances, but ramming through changes just as EV sales are slowing is nothing less than madness."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comm...electric-vehicles-joe-biden-ira-green-energy/


    EVs are not affordable and much more expensive than ICE or hybrids. The charger infrastructure isn't ready. Customers prefer hybrids or plug-in hybrids.

    Changing to EVs will cost jobs in the existing industry, many in Michigan, Wisconsin and other swing states. EVs need 30% less domestic US labor.
     
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    The lefties never look down the road to see the damage their ideas and proposals will bring.
     
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    it will never happen unless battery technology takes its next leap, we all know that - 2030 is too far out to know what will happen then
     
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    Don't think that the Left doesn't have plans in place to steal it. For one thing, through blackmail or bribery, we could see enough House GOP retirements to cost the GOP the majority and then Congress pass legislation barring Trump from the presidency, even if he wins the election.

    Electric cars may be one factor, but they seem to be dying on their own. Folks simply don't trust them, and so don't want them, unless they are a Tesla.

    Working and Middle Class voters could decide the outcome.

    Young People could decide the outcome.

    Democrats Warned Not To Register Young Voters, ‘They’re Going to Vote for Trump.’

    'Earlier this year, Aaron Strauss, an influential data scientist, warned major Democratic donors in a confidential memo that has since been obtained by the Washington Post to refrain from registering young and black voters ahead of the 2024 election. Why? Because they're likely going to vote for Trump.'

    That's likely inflation, not electric cars, but car prices in general are hard on young folks.

    '“Indeed, if we were to blindly register nonvoters and get them on the rolls, we would be distinctly aiding Trump’s quest,” Strauss warned in the memo, in which he cited recent polling showing Trump's strength with unregistered voters.'

    Voters are alligning by class not race, and that's a problem for racialist Dems.

    "The left’s challenge with non-white voters is much deeper than it first appears," he said. "A less racially divided America is an America where people vote more based on their beliefs than their identity. This is a big challenge for Dems."

    So, electric cars may operate on the margins but I think that other more powerful forces are having a greater impact.
     
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    But you expect us to reelect Biden hoping that someone will come up with solutions for a shortage of charging stations, a need to increase the production of electricity significantly, a need to vastly improve green electricity production much cheaper, ways to recycle lithium batteries safely, ways to keep China from dominating the lithium and electric vehicle market, ways to lower the carbon intensive problems with EV production to something lower than 20,000 miles, ways to make EVs viable after the battery goes bad and ways to avoid having to buy a new set of tires on your EV every 10,000 miles. There is no “fresh air” from EVs, especially not from the politicians who are shoving them down out throats who have nothing but smelly, hot air.
     
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    I think that Biden has done everything he can to make sure that the transition to EVs is as painless as possible. The problem is that many of the things that are required for that painless transition aren't coming into tangible view until 2025 or later. The election will be completely over by then.

    But let's look at what Biden got us: government spending on EV charging infrastructure, rules and regulations that have standardized the future of EV infrastructure, and let's not forget the standardized NACS plug connectors coming to future American market EVs starting in the 2025 model year for many EV brands.

    What can Trump do to top that? He wouldn't care about EVs at all, IMO. But if he wanted to tear it all down he could let China's BYD cars into the USA market. It would absolutely destroy the major auto brands in the USA who chose to create high-priced luxury brand EVs while ignoring the lower and middle-income class economic brands.
     
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    Biden is a much better choice then Trump
     
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    The UK “telegraph” eh?
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

    Figures that this story is half arsed. Biden is simply aligning with the global push toward EVs which if anything will increase jobs. This is a global market and Biden knows it
     
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    The US is rolling out charging stations and at an impressive rate
     
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    The leap is coming but the transition is doable now and the biggest market will be the higher density areas eg cities where we already seeing transition to two wheel transport which has massive advantages in no parking requirements
     
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    Why would we care about 5% of the total worlds car production at the cost of two new coal factories going up in China per week.

    Talk about really poor priorities.
     
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    Lols! Out of date aren’t you???

    Times are a changin’
     
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    Trump is disappointing.

    Biden is the worst president in history. He is the only president who is contemptuous and disrespectful of his own citizens. No other president has done all he could to make life worse for his country. Even the presidents who did all they could to maintain and expand slavery, Pierce and Buchanan, thought they were helping their citizens. Biden is uniquely terrible. Check out the 11 points by Victor Davis Hanson I posted yesterday.

    Trump is not Biden.
     
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    You have no idea what you are talking about do you? You are are from Australia, not the United States.
     
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    Once more you have no idea what you are talking about. Misinformed opinion is not truth. The Biden administration has somehow spent billions and erected less than 10 charging stations.

    When Energy Secretary, Jennifer Granholm, when out on a PR “vacation” with a couple electric vehicles, it was a complete fiasco. At one point they sent out a gas powered vehicle to block a charging station so that the EV she was riding in could get a spot. The whole stunt was a total embarrassment.

    The U.S. needs massive increases in charging stations and more importantly, the production of electricity to make Biden’s program a reality. That production will have come from something other than fossil fuels to make his program anything but a farce.
     
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    lol, sure, Trump fits everything you said
     
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    Gas powered cars aren’t going away. Take a breath and try to enjoy life instead of obsessing over things you think are going to happen. I’m surprised more of you don’t have strokes or heart attacks with all the stressing you do.
     
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    I guess most of my Republican friends who have EVs should change their votes to Biden.
     
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    Only a Zionist publication would think this is the reason Biden is going to lose.

    Biden is going to lose due to Israel - nothing more nothing less. Nobody gives a **** about EVs in some nebulous future.
     
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    Bwa ha ha! Where did you get that? Alex Jones?

    upload_2024-4-7_22-24-49.png

    https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC
     
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    And I m talking of a global market
     
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    That was the most useless article I have ever read. It appears to include private charging stations such as at hotels, etc. The purpose appears to be to mislead.

    I have never seen a public EV charging station.
     
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    How many public gas stations are there in the USA?
     
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    xMap's essential geospatial insight into USA's gas stations reveals an impressive statistic: There are approximately 196,643 retail gas station locations in United States of America (USA).

    https://www.xmap.ai/blog/gas-stations-in-united-states-of-america-everything-you-need-to-know#:~:text=xMap's essential geospatial insight into,there are significant regional variations.

    There are 64,187 EV charging stations across the U.S. in 2023, an increase of 20% over 2022 when there were 53,492 stations. Correspondingly, there were 175,575 charging outlets in 2023, an increase of roughly 22% over 2022 when outlets totaled 143,771.

    https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-ev-charging-stations-are-in-the-us.html#:~:text=There are 64,187 EV charging,2022 when outlets totaled 143,771.

    A lot of the ones on the map in the post above seem to be in auto dealer's lots?
     
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