Rejected and ‘returned for correction’: Docs for Trump’s $175M bond get bounced

Any person or company that fails to pay its fair share of taxes is breaking the law and creating victims.

 

And yet the statute of limitations on tax crimes is allowed to expire for privileged people and the left never said a word.

 

No it should not but it seems everything in the USA is a partisan issue.

 

Is that your argument for Trump getting a pass?

 

It will be no more complex in process than a bond as small as $17,500.00. The number of zeros should be totally irrelevant to the technical paperwork process.

 

Wut? The size of the bond is the first thing you look at!

 

Don't even try, you're dealing with people that don't even know how many zeros that is.

 

Yes, and does not alter the process or the papers.

 

No, its because he couldn't secure a bond in the amount of the original judgement, AND NY requires that he do that (as they do in any case) so that during the appeal process the defendant cant liquidate, or intentionally devalue assets etc. This isn't a rule just for Donald Trump, this is standard procedure

 

victimless crime:

• A "victimless crime" is an illegal criminal act that only involves participants who consent to the activity.

So the banks who participated in financing the properties must be charged, also. Why have they not been charged, too?

 

You're describing every democrap that has been in office since that Ray of Blanton Sunshine in Tennessee sold pardons to murderers.

 

This whole thing is about them not accepting his valuations in the first place. Why have they not been required to set valuations? I say they must be required to do so and get independent appraisers to do so.

 

Would not know, but I do know Humpty***.

*Rapist
*Swindler
*Bordering on pathological

 

Bad idea. It cements the truth that this prosecution isn't about truth and justice but rather about politics. They aren't ashamed of it to be sure.

 

On the contrary, it cements the truth that no one is above the law. The Orange Stain is a persistent criminal over a long period of time. If he doesn't like the
consequences of his law breaking, he shouldn't have broken the law. And "everybody else does it" is not a defense.

 

Your above comment makes zero sense and this is because you deliberately choose to ignore the statute in New York which Trump was charged under.

That statute which you pretend to not know makes it clear, to prove fraud the attorney general did not have to show that there were victims, only that Mr Trump committed ongoing fraud.

So which is it.....

a-you deliberately ignore the statute and what the standard of proof was to prove guilt; or
b-you know the above but deliberately play ignorant; or
c-you illustrate classic Trump Maga mentality-you do not care about the law and just throw out crap to try defend Trump.

I sat A and C and that your ignorance of the law is deliberate not unintentional.

The relevant statute is at:

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/EXC/63


The relevant wording as to proof of fraud is in section 12:

"12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section."

 

You seem to be an attorney so you take the position you are paid to take.
The NY law is B.S. and only the super haters are holding on it as if it were the last life vest on the Titanic.

 

Further to my last response to Crib I must also add the following.

A victimless crime does NOT nor DID IT EVER require a consenting victim. In fact a victimless crime is an illegal act that usually only involves the perpetrator. It might occur as well between consenting adults but in most cases rarely does.

Fletcher, Robin (30 October 2019). "Victimless crime". Victimless Crime. Oxford Bibliographies Online. doi:10.1093/OBO/9780195396607-0272. ISBN 978-0-19-539660-7

 

There was no illegal act.

 

Let's be clear if Trump's argument that overinflating real estate values is acceptable it would mean banks can no longer trust valuations because banks would know know that US governments won't enforce laws governing under and over evaluation fraud. This would then mean banks will then have to spend lots more money on auditing values as part of the loans application process and that expense would be passed on to you and me in the rate of interest on the loan we would ask for. Just like shoplifters cause stores to increase the values of goods to make up for inventory theft and insurance companies yank up your premiums to cover claims fraud, fraudsters like Trump by undervaluing to save on taxes and overvaluing to get higher loans, cost us higher taxes and higher loan rates.

 

That is precisely the point.

 

You making a unilateral pronouncement makes no sense as to what happened. In fact Trump admitted repeatedly he over-evaluated and so did the witnesses and so did the Deutsche bank who lowered the loan amount when they did their own audit. He clearly did the acts. They were proven by written documentation that recorded them. The legal expression is res ipsa loquitor, (ipso facto) the facts speak for themselves.

I note you have zero legal argument. This epitomizes Trumpets. You simply pronounce things that suit your leader. If it means breaking a statute, you arbitrarily make a pronouncement saying ignore the law as it would apply to Trump.

 

A whole bunch more donors and he can appeal!

 

That is not illegal. If you have ever had a loan beyond a credit card you will quickly find out the lender does their own evaluation. Real estate runs on expectations of the seller idea of value.
You are too vested it hating Trump to see the injustice. And table pounding doesn't make it true.
No piece of property in New York is safe from seizure right now if this travesty is allowed to fester.