The Looming Ukraine Debacle

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Bill Carson, Apr 8, 2024.

  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Never said that....I said go find the edge....lol.
     
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    Doubtful....too much RuZzian propaganda.
     
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    What do you mean? What should not have he done? Protecting Serbians? Forbiding to separate Albanians with the territories?
     
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    You mean that there are no people in the US who support Russia? What about Carson? What about Scott Ritter? In fact, Donald seems to be respectful to Putin.
     
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    What about Tucker?....Tucker is out for attention....got fired from Fox because he cost them gazillions......he could give 2 phucks about RuZzfascista.

    Skinner Ritter likes underage girls and has no credibility....he's raking in good $$$ on his YT vids talking nonsense and you swallow it.

    Same with Mac....

    Trump is respectful to himself....viska....RuZzians seem to be searing suckers...viska.

    A Hollywood movie should be made from the orcs...."How to lose an Empire....and like it"....:grin::-D
     
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    because what you're speculating is pure idiocy with no evidence or precedent to back it up.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump likes anyone who gives him money, says nice things about him, agrees with the stupid things he says, grabs him by the bussy, etc.
     
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    Donald Trump is respectful to anyone he sees as polite and supportive of him
     
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    But has a fragile ego.....so walk on eggshells with Trump.
     
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    That's right, I'm a native English speaker from Texas. You aren't @vis, but at least you don't lie about it like someone else we know that constantly spreads Bandera propaganda.
     
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    So you are saying evil things about Donald Trump who started no
    wars and did not flood the country with immigrants,
    take away people's futures and those of their children,

    but are OK with Biden who started a war that has caused
    over half a million deaths so far.

    I don't think you are American.
     
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    Two big reasons:

    1) The Bush Admin. never used the 9-11 attack to justify the invasion of Iraq.
    2) Anyone with any knowledge on the subject knows that the Bush Admin. long planned to invade Iraq anyway. 9-11 or no 9-11.
     
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    What war was that?
     
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    So Bill....what part of Texas are you at? .....I've got friends from SDak....that are stationed at San Antonio, Lackland AFB...you anywhere near the GSA?
     
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    Lol.....the immigrants at the southern border were lined up the whole time waiting to get in....and got in, Yang....lol.

    Did Trump close down some US bases like he claimed he would?

    You aren't American Yang....stop trying to be one.
     
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    Do you have an evidence for the case with Putin? If there were proofs, it would not be a speculation. It would be accusations.
     
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    Durandal, you want to say that Trump gets money from Putin? I thought it is Trump who could give money to others to reach his aims.
     
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    My comments about ships and aircraft came from defense sources, for which I provided the links. I'm an old Army guy and can only speak with any authority about Army systems like Javelin and Stinger.
     
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    Putin will never "invade Europe". His military is totally incompetent, His air force shoots down their own planes, and bombs Russian territory. His first invasion gambit lined up armor bumper to bumper and got blown away by US made Javelins. After years he cannot establish air superiority over an enemy that that has no indigenous air force. His Navy is getting clobbered by Ukraine, which has no Navy. A big part of his Army pulled out of the front lines and threatened Moscow. Hitler conquered ALL of Ukraine in five weeks. Putin holds only abut 20% of Ukraine after over two years.

    Putin will get put away in short order if he ever attacks NATO.
     
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    Putin is a paper tiger. His opening gambit in invading Ukraine armor invasion from Belarus directly to the Ukrainian capital at Kiev) resulted in a bumper to bumper armored traffic jam that was devastated by US Made Javelins. It was forced to withdraw. Just last week, the Russian air force shot down one of its own planes. The Russian Navy is taking heavy losses from a nation that has no Navy. The Russian air force has bombed its own country by mistake. Russia cannot establish air superiority over a nation that essentially has no air force. Hitler conquered all of Ukraine in five weeks. After over two years, Putin controls barely 20%.

    Tantrums notwithstanding, Putin doesn't stand a chance if he chooses to fight NATO.

    Now, if the nuclear option is exercised, its a whole different discussion.
     
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    Baseless conspiracy theory, Ukraine is a free country especially compared to Russia where Putin was just re-elected with 88% of the vote.
     
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    Prove that silliness. Next you'll be telling us that the CIA conspires with Martians.
     
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    He will if the West simply shrugs and retreats every time he initiates 'direct action' somewhere along it's eastern frontier!

    Let's be clear here. If Putin considers Europe and America to be weak, divided, decadent and (most importantly?) as having the attention span of a toddler? And God knows he's said so often enough! Then you can be sure he is literally banking on the fact that the US public will grow tired of the war In Ukraine to hand him victory there. And importantly? Xi is also watching NATO's reaction to the invasion of Ukraine, hoping to gauge the West's likely response to a potential invasion of Taiwan on the basis of it's response to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Your worried about a potential war with China? Good! How about you worry then about the message the US is sending China if it drops Ukraine like a hot rock! And if nothing else study the history of WW2 and the role appeasement played in actually expediting the outbreak of war .
     
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    I agree with most of what you say. Biden has left the USA looking like a spoiled, frightened little child with no guts or will. But Puten's military has proven itself so inept that its doubtful he could conquer Disneyland if it was located in Moscow. I don't believe Ukraine is an essential element to the US or China in any way... except that China loves watching us deplete our military assets in a useless attempt to save a worthless country called Ukraine. What a fantastic way to further weaken the US military before the invasion of Taiwan!
     
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    Why do you call Ukraine a "worthless country"

    And do not answer a question with a question.
     
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