Fantasy Demolished - U.S. Climate Goals Threatened by "Green" Power demands

you mean as opposed to 4 coal plants?
Geez.

 

Can We Engineer Our Way Out of the Climate Crisis?

On a windswept Icelandic plateau, an international team of engineers and executives is powering up an innovative machine designed to alter the very composition of Earth’s atmosphere.

If all goes as planned, the enormous vacuum will soon be sucking up vast quantities of air, stripping out carbon dioxide and then locking away those greenhouse gases deep underground in ancient stone — greenhouse gases that would otherwise continue heating up the globe.

Just a few years ago, technologies like these, that attempt to re-engineer the natural environment, were on the scientific fringe. They were too expensive, too impractical, too sci-fi. But with the dangers from climate change worsening, and the world failing to meet its goals of slashing greenhouse gas emissions, they are quickly moving to the mainstream among both scientists and investors, despite questions about their effectiveness and safety.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/31/...2273&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Not without a faster shift to renewables.

 

Since the dawn of the industrial age, humans have pumped huge volumes of heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere in pursuit of industry and advancement. It amounted to a remaking of the planet’s delicately balanced atmosphere that today has transformed the world, intensifying heat, worsening droughts and storms and threatening human progress.

 

I read the underlying news article. This gives away the true agenda; dial back to before the dawn of the industrial age.

 

Ocean Heat Has Shattered Records for More Than a Year. What’s Happening?

The ocean has now broken temperature records every day for more than a year. And so far, 2024 has continued 2023’s trend of beating previous records by wide margins. In fact, the whole planet has been hot for months, according to many different data sets.

“There’s no ambiguity about the data,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist and the director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “So really, it’s a question of attribution.”

Understanding what specific physical processes are behind these temperature records will help scientists improve their climate models and better predict temperatures in the future.

Last month, the average global sea surface temperature reached a new monthly high of 21.07 degrees Celsius, or 69.93 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service, a research institution funded by the European Union.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/10/climate/ocean-heat-records.html

“There’s no ambiguity about the data,”.............bloggers no doubt disagree.

 

The major effect is from China and India, not the U.S. You may want to take it up with the real culprits.

 

That would break their narrative of "West-bad."

 

Except that China has 1/2 and India 1/10 the per Capita energy use of the US. What would happen if those two countries would match the per Capita energy use of the US?

The US is 4% of the world's population, but has cumulatively emitted 25% of the world's CO2 and, thus, has consumed 25% of the world's fossil fuels. Why shouldn't other countries demand that the US cleans up their own house first since they were the biggest contributor to the problem?

It's always easy to point fingers just to avoid talking about the problem. The US IS the problem. Yet, of course, MAGA thinks they have a right to cheap gas, so nothing will be done.

 

Many governments, businesses, industries and individuals the globe over have made significant progress but for some people it's "All of Nothing". The climate hasn't yet completely collapsed so obviously, in their thinking, nothing was needed and despite the enormous gains made by many that could have not been a contributing factor, all or nothing. .

 

That’s maga thinking for you. Whine ignorantly about everything, just like their messiah.

 

OK I accept your numbers. I'm not sure about accepting that there is a problem.

 

I find myself not worrying about energy these days. I have the feeling technological innovation, especially at the rate it is advancing these days, will solve our problems in short order. Sure, there may be some growing pains, as is occurring now, but we'll figure it out sooner or later. I believe we will find solutions that will both bring virtually limitless energy along with being environmentally and ecologically sound.

 

Perhaps you should define what you mean as renewable. If "renewable" means depending on systems that require non renewable resources to produce energy, what is "renewable" about this sources? Take Solar. Today, it requires vast amounts of energy that isn't renewable to produce the solar platform that will never in its lifetime be able to recoup the energy it took to produce them in the first place. Take wind. Nothing about wind tower turbines themselves is renewable, in fact, the remains of discarded wind turbines litter the land while they will never rot or degrade and the energy that they produced over their short lifespans will never be able to pay for the energy that was needed to produce them.

And to put an even more fine point on the question, what climate crisis are you claiming exists? Are you referring to the minuscule temperature fluctuations that we are and would normally expect to see given the cyclic nature of our global climates? And are you saying that all of the different global climates are in crisis, or just some of them? Your language here is so imprecise as to be purposefully disingenuous.

So what is your point, except for superficial sloganeering?

 

Im not sure you got this correct. I think, actually, you missed the point entirely. Look to your own logic problem. Energy demand to support the green plan for things like electric cars in the US will outstrip the ability of the current energy grid to support using those EVs by the folks who bought them. So, your suggestion is that we bring on "new sources [sic] of energy" I suppose you meant to write... And of those new sources, you assert that 50% of those new sources are renewables. Care to take a stab at how much of the expected future need for energy to support the green plan will be necessary? and what fraction of that expected future demand will be able to be satisfied by renewables? It seems you didn't include the how to get there part, or the what we get should we try part to your narrative.

And then, you claim the OP wants to stop all renewable research? Perhaps you can quote the part of the OP that suggested it? The option in the polling wasn't a part of the argument from the OP, so I'm sure I understand how you might have become confused...

The actual point was that renewables do seem to have a significant and negative effect on the ecosystems and the resources required to support and build them. Which was the point of the OP. Do these facts not bother you? If it turns out that renewables cannot recoup the amount of energy necessary to produce them in the first place, is this a good use of time and resources? And what, if any benefit to the planet is being accrued by using them?

 

Why should we impoverish ourselves for the benefit of Fourth World ̷K̷l̷e̷p̷t̷o̷c̷r̷a̷t̷s̷ "leaders?" Why should we consent to ̷t̷h̷i̷s̷ ̷s̷h̷a̷k̷e̷d̷o̷w̷n̷ redistribution of wealth that we created?

 

Why is this a "MAGA" issue? Also, the people urging "changes" are only urging such changes on the "peasants" and "hired help." They are not going to give up their private jets or their UBERS to the Hamptons.

 

Growing demand is not being met by renewables not even close. But fifty percent of current construction is renewables. And because of that we get further behind every day. We aren't even close to replacing the energy produced by east of the Mississippi coal plants which the government seeks to close by 2030. Let alone the fact that you can't ever replace gas and oil fueled energy plants with green energy. Not without using Nuclear power.

 

We could have had awesome fusion reactors by now, maybe even nutrinos as an energy source but the LEFT wants to teach kids CRT and how to get a sex change instead of SCIENCE. Don't expect any technological breakthroughs in clean energy but at least they'll be up to date on the evil of white privilege and know what hormones to give their 4 year old son that played with a barbie doll one day instead of GI JOE

 

The left want artificial scarcity and suffering. It makes them feel superior...

 

And powerful...

 

China has three times the population as does India china is opening a new coal plant every ,month or two and India is investing in oil hand over fist.

 

Gee I wonder why the colder climate theory has fallen out of favor.. could it be because we haven't had an under average temperature year since the mid 1970s, and 20 of the hottest years on record have occurred over the past 22 years, which includes the single hottest year on record which was 2023? COULD THAT BE WHY?... COULD IT BE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION, BUT THAT THE HOTTEST YEARS ON RECORD ARE ALREADY HAPPENING.... COULD THAT BE WHY?




Also, just an FYI, the green house effect is not a new concept, it's been observed by scientists since the 1800s, and it works both ways. No green house effect means we fall into an ice age, but a green house effect that is too high means we fall into a warming trend.. like the one we are already living in

 

That's swell, you have a pretty bar graph that goes back to 1976. It was hotter in the mid 1930's......without all this bullshit extra CO2 you blame it on today.

To the contrary, the coldest recorded temperatures on record in Texas have happened in the past 4 years.

 

No, it definitely was not hotter in the 1930s, the hottest year on record is 2023, and the 20 hottest years on record have occurred over the past 22 years. Also, the earth's polar ice caps and glacier retreat are significantly worse today than at any point in the 1930s.

 

Tons of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere
https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/global-co2-emissions