Putting a face on systemic racism.

Yes it is amazing that our society gets no credit for a serious improvement in race relations over the decades. It isn't finished but it is better.

 

Racism is racism. Not all racism is systemic, even if the racist is employed by "the system".

If an HR director is tossing non-white resumes in the trash without regard to qualifications of the applicants, then HE is a racist. It's not "systemic racism" unless there is a systemic requirement for him to do so.

 

NEVER FORGET, its THE LEFT that wanted the segregation laws. ALL Of their problems are due to THE LEFT (unfortunately, blacks have been brainwashed with CRT and are kept sheltered from DA TRUTH

 

No. Any system that gives deference or preference based on race is "systemic racism". For instance, a program designed to approve loans with the race of the applicant as a primary criteria is systemic racism.

It doesn't matter whether it is designed to help blacks, Asians, whites, Hispanics, or any other racial group. If it singles one out to the exclusion of others, it's systemic racism.

 

You're not serious...right? Why do you think companies have dress codes? LOOKS!!!!

 

You're not serious...right? A dress code is VERY different than a man hiring an attractive female for the job instead of hiring based on the most qualified for that job.

 

It was. :shrug: The problem with your comment is that it assumes things not in reality and removes responsibility.

If I walk through a gang infested area waving a stack of $100 bills I'm going to get mugged 100%. I knew that was a possibility. Yet I still did it. As such I am at fault. Does that excuse the people that did the assault? Hell no. They still are responsible for their part and they deserve whatever punishment they go through. But that doesn't mean that what I did wasn't stupid and wasn't my fault. Same goes for anyone doing anything that they know could lead to X bad outcome. Be it a woman wearing skimpy sexually alluring clothes, or a person waving a stack of $100 bills in gang territory.

Two things can be true at the same time.

 

I don't recall anyone saying that would be the only or sole or main reason for hiring that attractive female. In fact the main premise of the thread is people with the same qualifications applying for the same job. Which one is a person going to hire? An ugly woman or an attractive woman? Both have the same qualifications.

 

So you don't think that blacks are as capable as whites. Got it.

 

Not my fault you "missed" it

I have never known a situation where two candidates have the same EXACT qualifications. Also, I can't pretend to know what your fictitious person would pick.

I can see you're itching to go down a rabbit hole with one made up scenario after another. Play that game with someone else. Cheers.

 

It should DEFINITELY not be the primary criteria. But it never is.

However, compensating for racism in the system should be part of the criteria. Otherwise we are perpetuating racism and... the circle continues...

 

How can one tell if the perceived racism is due to a company (or two) rather than cultural differences? For example, black people generally like different things than white people (music for example). If a cultural difference leads people into different job experiences, could that not lead to white people having more hirable resume's than their black peers or visa versa?

 

Take the trouble to find out exactly what? I once worked with a Cambodian guy and asked him how he could tell the difference between Asians and he said by their names and that’s a skill I don’t have and I doubt many people aren’t Asian do. Does you wife have that skill? As far as the term Asian is concerned relative to those on the Pacific and those in Iran, do a search for Asian restaurants and see if any Iranian joints show up. Some how, some way, people considered to be yellow are called Asians and don’t ask me why, I’m just going with the flow. And yes, Asians don’t like to be asked where they’re from, I wasn’t making that up.

The question every Asian American hates to be asked: ‘Where are you from?
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...every-asian-american-hates-where-are-you-from

What’s Wrong with Asking “Where Are You From?”
https://hbr.org/2020/10/whats-wrong-with-asking-where-are-you-from

 

In your hypothetical, I'd say a woman would hire the ugly woman and a man would hire the attractive one. In both cases I'm sure you can figure out why.

 

You bring up a good point. That can extend to so many other things besides ethnicity. Like maybe someone had in their resume they were the VP of their local RC Airplane club, and the interviewer was also a RC plane enthusiast. That should not be a hiring factor but how can you know if that didn't seep into the final decision?
This can be 100% solved but our friends on the left are not interested in solving it, they need it for use as a race hustling weapon.
Here's how it can be solved........100%

Completely anonymous interview process. All personal extras stripped from the resumes. Not even names of colleges on it. Just degrees and accomplishments. NOT EVEN GENDER SPECIFIED

The interview process would also be anonymous. Even calls to the references. That would be done through a 3rd party system that makes all the voices sound like the same, generic, gender ambiguous voice. This will also be how the interview is done, right down to scenario based questions (which IMO is the MOST important part of a job interview, especially in the tech field).

At this point, the interviewer knows the person's skills, credentials, and how they would react/troubleshoot in certain scenarios all without knowing race, gender, ANYTHING at all about them except their VALUE for that job.

The technology to do this already exists. I'm pretty sure I'm not the 1st person to think of this. This would easily 100% solve it,l but as I said, they have ZERO interest in job equality, they want to use the illusion of make-believe racial job inequality as a weapon.

 

Two things:

A loooooong time ago my friend got a job because during the interview he mentioned he was a NY Rangers fan. Turns out the guy doing the hiring was also a huge fan.

Second, after a recruiter gets an application, the applicant needs to take an online assessment that's pass/fail. Having taken two of them myself, they weed out the unqualified applicants pretty fast. An applicant has to take an assessment just to work at Walmart.

 

the pass/fail test sounds like a great idea.

 

That I actually have an explanation for. It came from a Danesh D'Souza book a few decades back. Things have happened since then that make the problem worse. The Desperation of Ivy league schools to balance the numbers race wise meant that they simply dropped standards to admit as many black men and women as they could. This meant that a lot of Smart Black kids who went to crap schools and had carried A averages without ever breaking a sweat. Then they go into a situation for which there high school education has not prepared them at all Suddenly there is no grading on the curve because they're competing with kids from the best preparatory academies in the country and the best minds from every where and they simply aren't used to that level of competitiveness and having to do that much work to get a passing grade. And by the time they start to get a handle on what's happening it is to damn late. And it all percolates downward from there. It's beginning to change but in the wrong direction for all the worst possible reasons.

 

That explains a lot
It almost sounds like in an effort to force inclusion they ended up hurting their education more.

 

There is nothing on God's green earth that can screw things up with the consistency and near total calamity of leftist trying to help.

 

My sister and her best friend both applied for a job. My sister was much more qualified (degree, experience, etc) however, her Hispanic friend got the job. When my sister enquired as to why, she was told that they needed someone who was bilingual. It turns out that my sister is fluent in Spanish and her Hispanic friend didn't speak Spanish at all. It was assumed. Is that systemic racism or is that just a mistake made by assumptions?

 

A few months after I took a position in El Paso, my director told me HR didn't want to hire me because there were already too many people in management who didn't line up with the local population. Being that it was El Paso, I'm sure you know what the local population consists of.

 

So you reject the premise of the study shown in the OP? You reject that there is systemic racism?

 

It would most definitely work out that way.

 

It is not possible to "compensate" for racism. Doing so will be racist in and of itself by its very nature. All you can do is combat racism itself. Actual racism mind you. Not this ethereal crap called "system racism" of which apparently only white people are capable of.