anti-gun Austrailia - 6 lives saved by a WOMAN WITH A GUN

What…you never heard of the 80s movie Alligator Dundee?

 

In that case the OP is intended to prove you wrong. Not liberals. WE agree that cops should have guns.

 

That is totally absurd. In the real world that most of us live in, the bad guys are always going to have guns. I am not ready to give up my method of self defense,

 

Yeah! If this was America 6 people wouldn't have died. 60 would have, and that attacker would have had a gun instead of a knife. Great thread.

 

There already has been a thread on this and your title is misleading. He was also tackled by several bystanders and the main response here in Aus was
THANK GOODNESS HE DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A HIGH POWERED RAPID FIRE WEAPON
See WE have not been sucked into a myth of believing the crap about “a good guy with a gun”. Yes it was a woman (and I bet that sticks in the craw of some) who was a trained police officer who was on scene within minutes. Why the rapid response? Because our cops are not overwhelmed by having to deal with daily shootings.

You couldn’t pay us to go back to pre 1996 if you tried - and the NRA has tried and WE have it on tape!

 

Then why did he only have a knife? Why is our murder rate so much lower than yours? What you lot don’t realise is that there was a second incident, a terrorist attack in Sydney just a couple of days ago. A 16 year old stabbed a priest with a knife, he was tackled to the floor by the parishioners and there is video of one of the people pinning him down saying “You do this during prayer” then he hits him on the back of the head!

 

They try here in Canada too, and we have the same response.

Similar on universal health care. We are constantly held up by scare mongers in the US trying to stop universal health care from coming to the US. Look how horrible it is in Canada, etc. Yet, we would never go back to a system like theirs. It really should tell them something.

 

Considering that the “these people” included

five women one male security officer on his first day on the job. One of the women died defending her baby that was also stabbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBn_ExuDa0

So please show some respect for the victims and stop using them into troll

 

Very glad

 

We have to start from where we are, not from where we would like to be. In our world, the bad guys have guns. Convince them to give theirs up before asking the good guys to give theirs up.

 

Yes that is the thing more guns = more criminals with guns and this is the point that is difficult for some to debate - if defensive gun use had an impact on crime rate why isn’t Australia swimming in dead people shot by criminals

 

Then why don’t more “bad guys” here have guns??

 

Yes, we saw a movie where that sort of society existed-it was called Schindler's List. I love this display of how the anti gun left thinks.

 

It's the typical leftwing mindset-people cannot be trusted but worship the government

 

and who are those might we ask? I will take almost NONE for 2000 Alex

 

Then you should watch more Aussie movies - and the “Mad Max” franchise doesn’t count lols! Try “Tomorrow when the war began” for one

 

Well……you would be wrong

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801608/

 

completely debunked by what has happened in the USA over the last30 years

and just stop with pretending that public safety is what motivates the anti gun left

 

I provide research whereas you have provided what?

 

are you pretending you haven't seen the citations how violent crime has gone down over the last 30 years and the number of guns has gone up?

 

Again - is gun ownership the only factor affecting crime stats? Now since we are talking about an incident in Aus - why didn’t our crime rate rise post 1996? Why hasn’t the UK’s crime rate risen?

 

This would be an argument against people saying police should be unarmed... whoever is saying that....

 

Like I said we have to start from where we are. There are over 430 million guns out there. There is no way law enforcement is going to be able to gather them up and only the law abiding will willingly turn them in which leaves the law abiding defenseless. Australia never had that many guns or that many guns per capita.

The situation in Australia was never the same as the US. It is useless to try to compare them.

 

When will you guys stop pretending you actually care about public safety.

 

So you DON’T try. But it wasn’t the buy back of guns that made the difference because there are still a lot of illegal guns out there - it was the legislation requiring stolen guns to be reported as soon as known, a large way for criminals to access guns closed. But most importantly it is legislated that guns MUST be locked in a secure safe between uses - even whilst being transported by public road. There is good, solid research showing locking up guns reduces gun violence. You can have your guns and reduce gun crime - win/win