Could Trump Murder Nancy Pelosi on National TV with Immunity?

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Could Trump Murder Nancy Pelosi on National TV with Immunity?

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    She was guilty as charged. But it's hardly a classified document if it was spoken to the entire US electorate. I think the straw that broke the camel's back, was when Trump awarded Rush Limbaugh the Presidential medal of freedom. I'm surprised she didn't stand up and take a match to the document.
     
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    The USA has always been notorious for election fraud, rigging the popular vote and stealing elections. That is one reason why ordinary American voters do not elect Presidents.

    “Since the country's colonial days, concerns of voter fraud have inspired ever-more complicated ways to cast one's ballot. Depending on where you live, you may vote tomorrow with a lever, a punch card, a marker or a touchscreen. As election scholar Andrew Gumbel notes, the U.S. has been both a "living experiment in the expansion of democratic rights" and a "world-class laboratory for vote suppression and election-stealing techniques.”
    TIME MAGAZINE, A BRIEF HISTORY OF, Ballots in America, By M.J. Stephey Monday, Nov. 03, 2008. (emphasis mine)
    http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855857,00.html

    Virtually no one really believe that elections are "free and fair" in America.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    I guess "virtually no one" doesn't apply to the Trump election officials.

    https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs

    Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history

    “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double-checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result,” the coordinating bodies on election infrastructure and security said in a joint statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Are "Trump’s own officials" supposed to be credible now? ;-)

    IMO, progressive thinkers should avoid relying on "right wing" sources.

    Here is The Obvious Inconvenient Truth elections in the USA:

    "It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
    Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 200 (emphasis mine)
     
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    Barr says no evidence of widespread voter fraud, defying Trump


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...widespread-voter-fraud-defying-trump-n1249581

    "I told him that all this stuff was bulls--- ... about election fraud. And, you know, it was wrong to be shoveling it out the way his team was," Barr said in an interview with NBC News' Lester Holt that is scheduled to air Sunday night. First highlights of the interview aired Thursday on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."

    So they were "shoveling it out", and you had your mouth open wide.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    There you go again, citing "right wing" GOP sources. :)

    Here is The Inconvenient Truth from far more credible sources:

    1."It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
    Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 200 (emphasis mine)


    2."And now, it emerged, someone was trying to infiltrate the election system itself. The Illinois intruders had quietly breached the network in June and spent weeks conducting reconnaissance. After alighting on the state’s voter-registration database, they downloaded information on hundreds of thousands of voters. Then something went wrong, and the attackers crashed a server, alerting officials to their presence.

    It soon became clear that this would not be the last attack. In early August, Jenkins learned of another breach, this one on an Arizona state website, and it appeared to come from one of the same I.P. addresses that had been used to attack Illinois. This time, the intruders installed malware, as if setting the stage for further assault. Then reports from other states began to pour in, saying that the same I.P. addresses appeared to be probing their voter-registration networks."
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, The Crisis of Election Security, As the midterms approach, America’s electronic voting systems are more vulnerable than ever. Why isn’t anyone trying to fix them?, By Kim Zetter, Sept. 26, 2018.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/magazine/election-security-crisis-midterms.html

    Only committed partisans still pretend that elections are free and fair in the US -- when their side wins, but they all know better by now. ;-)
     
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    We were told 2020 was the most secure election ever. Rasmussen poll found about 1/5 of mail in voters admit to committing voter fraud. And those are only the ones admitting it. The simple truth is that the deep state prefers elections they can rig to secure ones in which *gasp* people might vote for someone they do not want.

    Voter ID. Paper Ballots. Virtually NO mail in voting.

    I would make voting day a national holiday so that it is easier for workers to participate.
     
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    Good ideas, but don't hold your breath waiting for real reform. Our corrupt bipartisan ruling political class has never wanted "free and fair" elections.

    “Witnesses of a fraudulent election in Boston, later said that the election “was carried out by violence and murder” and that politicians would bring gangs from New York, Delaware, Washington and Alexandria to help win elections. Senators from both the Democratic and Republican parties were outed during an investigation of a plan to use “repeaters.” Later, new African-Americans voters of the 1880s were often cooped until after election day, the threat of which was to keep them from voting on the Republican ticket, sometimes after Democrats already voted under African-American voters’ names.”
    ATLAS OBSCURA, Election Fraud in the 1800s Involved Kidnapping and Forced Drinking, How roving “cooping” gangs got voters drunk and disturbed the democratic process., BY NATALIE ZARRELLI, SEPTEMBER 7, 2016.
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articl...1800s-involved-kidnapping-and-forced-drinking

    The long history of election rigging would be taught in our public schools if there was any real interest in the democratic process at the top.
     
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    No. Again, it was classified until it was read. (Classified to keep it from leaking to a rebuttal speech writer, and the press, and our enemies)
     
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    Thanks to the Potato and his alphabet thugs, the term "conspiracy theory" no longer holds any real meaning. We've been watching these theories prove true for years now. We see and hear that said and we figure it must be true because it usually is. Especially if it's coming from the alphabet agencies. They no longer have the trust of honest thinking people and they have no one to blame but themselves. I might get put on some kind of list for speaking my mind, but so be it.
     
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    How many times before it sinks in. Sore Loser Trump attempted 63 legal challenges to check for voter fraud. All came up negative. There were manual recounts. Fox News lost a $787.5 million dollar lawsuit against Dominion Voting Machines,for letting liars repeatedly air these same ridiculous arguments. Repeat after me --- "Biden won the Election".
     
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    Which news network had to settle for $787 Million for allowing lies to repeatedly air. Take a hard look at who is leading who astray!
     
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    Biden was helped immensely by big Tech which suppressed the laptop story, Biden's chinese allies and their virus, and of course mail in ballots which could not be checked for veracity
     
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    Sure, blame it on anything other than Trump. Trump had such a tremendous DEBATE PERFORMANCE, how could he possible lose? Trump debated the moderator as much as he debated Biden! Are you going to make the same excuses for 2022, and the losses of all the Trump extremists?
     
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    I think Trump is a crappy candidate. He might well lose given the corrupt court actions, big tech and the media. Any halfway decent GOP nominee would thrash senile Joe. But Trump is still a better choice than the creeping crud of collectivism's senile pawn, Joe Braindead
     
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    :rolleyes: Stop pretending that other "news" agencies haven't been sued for their lies.
     
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    Biden is still a sharp, seasoned politician who knows how to get things done in Washington. Even with a "Broken Republican Congress", looks like Biden will be getting some new important legislation - Ukraine funding, the TikTok Chinese ownership, and other notable items. That's on top of other legislation, like the Infrastructure bill, which is something that Trump promised and never delivered.
     
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    Maybe there have been a few through history, but nothing the level of FAUX news.
     
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    this fluffing is as funny as it is wrong. he's a pawn with the IQ of a doormat
     
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    Actions are louder than words. Yours are words,
     
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    keep believing that Biden is the one calling the shots. It's touching
     
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    Biden has a very adept cabinet. Good presidents seek the advice of their cabinet members. Contrast this with the previous Administration. Trump's cabinet was a revolving door. Pathetic.
     
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    Biden and Trump have relied on advisors with impressive CVs, and as a group they have been remarkably inept in action.

    “Written with what was clearly extensive access, The Internationalists reflects the weaknesses as well as the strengths of Biden’s foreign policy advisers. Team Biden members see themselves as a group of sober-minded yet idealistic professionals who took office intending to end wars and to repair America’s ailing body politic at home and its damaged reputation abroad in the wake of Donald Trump. Nevertheless, on their watch the United States has been drawn into a set of major new wars whose unintended consequences threaten to prematurely end the Biden presidency and transfer the reins of global power back to Trump. Like Ward, they had set out to tell an uplifting story about American global leadership, but at some point they lost the plot.”
    THE NATION, The Great Humbling, How Did Joe Biden’s Foreign Policy Go So Off Course?, BOOKS & THE ARTS / DAVID KLION, APRIL 9, 2024. (emphasis mine)
    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-foreign-policy-internationalists/

    Biden has far more experience in government and his insider knowledge of the ways of the Washington power structure give him a significant advantage over the outsider Donald Trump.
    The credentials of Biden's "A-Team" are impressive. They are the "best and brightest" that are available, but they have failed the President.
    IMO, JRB will have to press his own better informed judgement on his team to move forward.
     
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    they were picked not on qualifications but to fill quotas including mental disorders

    exactly
     
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    On paper, Biden's team is far better qualified, but while Biden has been swimming in the wild currents of Washington for decades. IMO, the intellectuals on his "A-Team" should have been working to implement JRB's policies rather than "shaping them" to meet their own narrow rather academic preferences.

    “Biden’s own biography has been recounted in many other places, but suffice it to say that he makes for a striking contrast with this A-Team—from Sullivan, the academic whiz kid, to the worldly, almost aristocratic Blinken. Biden’s administration may be staffed with the best and the brightest, but the president himself was a mediocre student who attended his local state university and a lower-tier law school. He comes from an era before the political class was fully professionalized, when prestige and polish counted for less and folksiness counted for more. Biden’s gut instincts sometimes align naturally with the policy prescriptions of Sullivan and Blinken, but other times, it’s as if they are trying to shape policy around what they know the boss wants.”
    THE NATION, The Great Humbling, How Did Joe Biden’s Foreign Policy Go So Off Course?, BOOKS & THE ARTS / DAVID KLION, APRIL 9, 2024. (emphasis mine)
    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-foreign-policy-internationalists/
     
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