Why are people who describe themselves as "Progressives" in favor of Hamas and Iran?

Those protests are against the USA's work to ensure the slaughter of Palestinians continues.

WE are the suppliers of the bombs and other munitions.

WE are the defenders of the humanitarian atrocities when brought before the ICJ and UNSC.


These acts are NOT consistent with what America claims to stand for. And, it destroys any possible message to the rest of the world concerning rule of law, humanitarian behavior, democracy, representation by the people - all of which we act AGAINST when we encourage genocide and help Israelis burn the homes of Palestinians in West Bank.

 

You forgot the Zionist lizardoids from Marduka (four hands, very useful) and the ultra-Zionist Gbaba (no idea how many hands they have, nobody knows what they look like).

I'd love to stay and chat but I have to make a detailed report on how many starving Palestinians I have managed to starve even more today. Oh, the bureaucracy...

 

And ancient murderous madness descends on too much of the Left: Northwestern U. dean joins anti-Israel rally organized by far-left student groups.


A.W.F.L = affluent white female leftist.

 

Hamas is part of the Left's coalition.

THE ENEMY WITHIN: Biden Judicial Nominee Honored by Anti-Israel Group Whose Board Member Cheers Hamas.

Thrilled over the violent raping and murder of young Jewish women.



'Biden judicial nominee Amir H. Ali in November received a "Justice Tribute" award from an Arab-American civil rights group whose board member has praised Hamas and other terrorist groups.'

Defends systematic rape and murder of young Jewish women.

'Ali has links to another left-wing group that has explicitly blamed Israel for the Hamas attack, and defended the "Palestinian right" to "armed struggle" against Israel.'

Hitler also claimed to "struggle" against Jews, and the 'final solution' was mass murdering Jews.

 

There was tons of support for Israel and tons of outrage after October 7th, including from me. Then Israel lost their ****ing minds, and began their butchery of innocent civilians.

This is not a left/right issue. Not that that has any meaning, as both the left and right serve the uniparty. And progressive is just another meaningless word. What matter, and is all that matters, is that innocent lives, whether they are Israeli or Palestinian, must be protected at all cost, even if it means never killing a single member of Hamas. Sure, it would be great if they could all be brought to justice, but that is secondary to the protection of the innocent. Being Palestinian does not mean you are a supporter of Hamas any more than being an American means that you are a supporter of Sleepy Joe.

 

Americans are responsible for Sleepy Joe and should he attack Russia we would bear the consequences of the Russian response. Ask Japan.

 

When we attacked Iraq we did not expect our citizens to be killed as a result. Nor should we have. Same with Vietnam. Similarly, Palestinians should not be held accountable for the actions of their government, ESPECIALLY since most of the people alive in Gaza today were either not even born yet or old enough to vote when Hamas took power. Mass punishment of a population is illegal under international law. Starving the entire population and dropping bombs on them, killing tens of thousands indiscriminately is mass punishment, which is why there is a good chance Bibi is going to be made a war criminal by the ICC unless the US meddles. But meddling wouldn't make Bibi any less guilty.

 

Good to know. But a goodly number of them sure seem to be.

 

How about the citizens of Iraq or Vietnam? When two countries go to war it is generally they have governments with differences and grievances they can't reconcile but the civilian population is generally supportive of their govt and the Gazans are no exception.

 

So, you think that US citizens should be killed for what happened in Iraq? Apparently you think Gazans deserve to die for the actions of Hamas.

 

I did a search of your posts on Gaza after they invaded Israel and systematically raped and slaughtered all those innocent young Jewish women civilians and I found no such posts of outrage from you as you claim, on this panel.

Please direct us to them.

 

I didn't say that but you have to remember there is a huge body of water on both sides that keep us out of reach of most. I think maybe we have invited them in now and we may see some of the same bloodshed the ME deals with. Biden is talking about a few thousand Gaza refugees and I think if that doesn't prove he's senile nothing will.

 

That is mosty your own confirmation bias plus the few libreals who are are very vocal. Very few of them actually are. The vast majority of them are not.

Similar to how the vast majority of conservatives are not white supremacists or christian nationalists or anti-gay, but the few who are are vocal, and many liberals let their confirmation bias lead them to believe far more conservatives are than actually are.

 

A few hundred thousand scattered about dozens of college campuses are not a goodly number?

 

The issue is that Israel's policy in Gaza is a MAJOR humanitarian atrocity.

Did I say anything about Hamas in that sentence? It's just not about Hamas.

Remember that the USA supports that humanitarian atrocity, supplying the political cover and the 2000 pound bombs to drop on apartment buildings in the middle of the night - a fact that is well know around the entire world. It impacts US foreign policy in a serious way, as it is proof of abject hypocrisy, lethality, refusal to negotiate, and unwillingness to cooperate with the nations of the world - even western nations.

WE are destroying our own credibility and the perception of our morals values.

 

War is always a major humanitarian atrocity. The only worse atrocity is to continue ad infinitum for 70 years on an endless loop with nothing to be gained each time but new names on new tombstones. This is what the left's policies doom us to, if we allow it.

 

That's certainly a much weaker claim than the other fellow who asked why are liberals generally in favour of Hamas.

But even your claim, I am not convinced is true. You think there are a few hundred thousand Hamas supporters scattered across college campuses in the USA? Actual Hamas supporters and not just people who oppose Israel's actions and support the Palestinians' human rights?

Why would you think that?

 

Because they are not asking for human rights they are asking for an end to Israel and the death of the Jews. Note to date it appears to be that nearly 60% of them aren't even college kids.

 

And Iran is the supplier of bombs and other munitions to Hamas. I guess they are good guys.

You are the defenders of terrorism.

LOL.

 

Who is? How many American college students or even outsiders coming ot the colleges and demonstrating there do you think actually want the end of Israel and the death of the Jews?
Your perception seems to be dramatically inflated here and I want to know why. Is it right wing media reporting?
This is right up there with some left wing people who think most conservatives are white supremacists.

I don't know where you get your 60% number from. I'm guessing you are pulling that out of your ass too. But I do agree there appear to be a lot of non-students who have joined in on these protests.

 

Who says they are good guys? You? I have not seen anyone else say that.

Who is? Did Willreadmore say he defends terrorism?

Or are you disingenuously conflating calling for and end to the death and destruction of innocent Palestinian children with support for terrorism?

 

Actually, he did say he supports terrorism.

 

Gaza has arms manufacturing of their own.

Their primary anti-tank weapon was developed by Palestine.

People like to blame Iran, because otherwise they have to give credit to those they don't want to credit.

The IDF are the terrorists here. Gaza can't win that title with one terrorist attack.

 

I just stated the facts.

I certainly didn't give "support" for terrorism.

The catch is there ARE times when terrorism works. It worked in South Africa, for example.

While we don't like or support that strategy, it's stupid to claim it isn't available or that it can't work.


WE claim we wanted resolution by negotiation.

But, we made that direction absolutely impossible, even with President Abbas dedicated to that direction, even as Israel stole more and more of West Bank - an absolutely AMAZING FACT.

We chose to support Israel in the decades long war on Gaza. We helped Israel with their siege, which ended Gaza as an economic entity and kept the entire people in deep poverty. We gave Israel the arms to slaughter tens of thousands of civilians - the majority being women and children. We helped Israel block food and medicine as Israel murdered the doctors and nurses.

And, we did that for political purpose, using our power to demand that Gaza change by destroying their cities, their hospitals, and their population in a ICJ certified genocide.

That IS terrorism.

And, YOU claim Hamas is the terrorist organization because of Oct 7???

I agree Oct 7 was terrorism.

But, the USA has carried out a far worse act of terrorism over the last 6 or 7 months - AND over the last DECADES.

 

We have Leftists favoring Hamas because they are on the payroll of Hamas

How Hamas Bought Joe Biden.

'But the single most shocking document from James Biden’s relationship with Qatar may be a letter that he allegedly wrote to the Qatari leadership on “behalf of the Biden family.”'

On behalf of the Biden Crime Family

'“We are not particularly close to this administration and have a different vision,” Biden’s brother wrote, accusing the Trump administration of being “fractured” and “beleaguered by major issues that are not soon to be resolved.” However he promised that the Biden “family could provide a wealth of introductions and business opportunities at the highest levels that I believe would be worthy of the interest of His Excellency.”'

“If this is in keeping with the vision of His Excellency, on behalf of the Biden family, I welcome your interest here,” he concluded.

'Even while undermining the sitting administration, Biden’s brother was offering the services of his family to an enemy nation. This has wider implications beyond Qatar’s role backing Hamas.'

FJB deliberately lost the war in Afghanistan

'Qatar was also the central intermediary in the Taliban “deal” and had formed an alliance with Iran. It is difficult to know whether the “Biden family” relationship with Qatar played any role in the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan and in the sanctions relief offered to Iran.'

'We do know there was a relationship between the Biden family and a state sponsor of Hamas, which Joe Biden profited from, and that has disturbing implications for our national security.'

'“We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden,” James Biden once bragged. One of those investors had ties to Iran, Al Qaeda, Iran and Hamas.'

Pro-Palestinian protesters are backed by a surprising source: Biden’s biggest donors.