To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

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  1. Tipper101

    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, it’s cemented throughout all of human history. Young people lack discipline, general knowledge and experience, and have an over abundance of bravado, idealism, vulnerability to radicalization and in the modern era, very very shitty grades.

    Newsflash, young people arent running around reading newspapers and watching history documentaries. Theyre figuring out how to get drugs, have sex and do other incredibly stupid things far above and beyond any other age demographic, as they have for all of time.

    Sorry, you think students are smart enough to rule the world when they can’t even figure out what gender they are, youve got a lot of proving to do. Starting with what age exactly do you think they are dumb? Are 4 year olds smart enough to advocate to you? Probably, you’re probably one of those parents that puts their toddler on political ads. How pathetic. Guess some people never get past the student level huh? Lol!
     
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    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

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    another epic fail to define the term.

    no surprise, you along with every other genocide regurgitator angle only towards the quantity of dead as if once it gets past a certain number it magically becomes genocide, all while never even telling the class what number that is.

    either way, genocide has nothing to do with quantity. If it did, then most human conflicts would be categorized as such.

    I’ll leave you to tell me what does determine genocide. Good luck to you.
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I can tell you what you DON'T do. NOT genocide. "Wanting" is irrelevant. If they were actually DOING it, the protests would be on their side. As it is, it's on the Palestinian's side.

    They are NOT doing anything to get the hostages back. Or at least not much... Clearly not Netanyahu's priority. Ask the families of the hostages.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Please provide a quote so we know what you're talking about.

    But they are. And it's avoidable. THAT is the reason for the protests.

    If they are not competent, then they shouldn't do it. The IDF has demonstrated its incompetence.

    Sit down and negotiate a two-state solution. Period! You have just demonstrated that they are not competent enough to wage a war.

    Nonsense!
     
  5. Bullseye

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    HOW exactly is it avoidable?

    Incompetent? Nope, Perfect no. When you enemy attempts to blend in with non-combatants perfection is not an option.
    And what proof do you have that Hamas would live peacefully under that arrangement?
     
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  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What a desperate and lame response. Dude... it SHOWS that you struggle to rebut the facts I provided. You just make it worse for yourself.

    YOU pick the number. If the number you pick is higher than 30.000, then the feebleness of your argument becomes evident.

    First correct things you say. It has to do with an armed force massacring the unarmed population. Which is what the IDF is doing in Palestine. As well as the reason for the protests.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read the OP. The protesters are providing the ONLY solution: a two-state solution. Netanyahu refuses....
     
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    Wisely. Very wisely. Name a single factor that would show Hamas has the honesty and integrity to live by a two state solution.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It makes little difference what the protesters want. Hamas and Iran are only looking for Israel to cease to exist.
     
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    The whole MAGA minion is odd and weird to understand. You tell me, what is Trump's relationship with Jews when he said there were "fine people" at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville?
     
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    I notice that you believe you can do MY thinking for me to fit your view. How arrogant! I never made mention, nor hinted that college students are smart enough to "rule the world". You gender remark sets a low mark for you. The rest of your post is utter nonsense.
    Pathetic
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    NOT genocide is a noble idea but where you're wrong is the "wanting". Wanting IS relevant. That's what they are raised with, taught and religious beliefs. The only reason they DON'T do it is because the US is there to back them.
    The people I was referring to are the "innocent" Palestinian's. What are THEY doing to get the hostages back.
     
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    Nope, well unless it was France students.. Nixon had his fill of the whole thing.. The American students didn't learn a thing, they're still voting for the very warmongers that entered in to that theater and now financing today's Ukraines/Vietnam saga..

    I guess now that dodgers are to old for the draft they feel secure in promoting war ;)
     
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    If you go and capture someone who escaped from being kidnapped and return them to their captor will you likewise be charged with kidnapping? They are complicit and that’s non debatable in my opinion.

    actively hiding your military assets behind citizens does not make them immune from attack. The Geneva Convention even states that.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_(law)

    now, knowing they have been actively aggressive towards Israel for decades and the world knew they actively hid their military behind human shields and ignored it for how long??? They (Hamas) deserve to be wiped out and we can’t actively allow them to target Israel while breaking multiple Geneva convention articles (let me emphasize MULTIPLE) and everyone is losing their lid on Israel for taking action against a government who has been illegally operating militarily against them for decades? Did you think this was never going to break?

    Things Hamas has broken the Geneva convention
    They took hostages
    Rape of citizens
    Intentionally killing citizens
    Directing their military to target citizens
    Cruel treatment and torture
    Human shields

    And you support their cause? I think they only deserve a middle finger and a lot more bombs. Terrorists should never achieve their goals through terrorism or they will always use it as a negotiation tool.

    in fact the Geneva convention states that using human shields does not make a military target immune from attack. So I’m hard pressed to even say Israel has committed a war crime at all.
     
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  15. Tipper101

    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

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    And again, you can’t define genocide any deeper than changing its word to “massacre” and ascribing proof of massacre to just the number of dead.

    I even wished good luck on you. What a waste.

    Do you want to try again or are you going to just give up but keep on wandering through the forums still repeating the genocide lie as if you know what it is when you clearly don’t?
     
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    You must like Ford cause all I see is Dodge from you
     
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    After all these years you still can’t get the whole quote right or understand the context OR the many times he condemned Nazis in that same speech.

    I know Trumps daughter and her whole family are Jewish so there’s that. You’d figure she would’ve figured out her dad is a Nazi a long time ago:)
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    WTF
    Yeah, Nixon had his fill, right. The war ended because Nixon had enough.
    Right, Kent State didn't teach them anything. It didn't teach the country anything. Soldiers killing civilians didn't teach anybody anything. Boys coming home in body bags didn't teach them anything.
    Really?! You're equating Ukraine with Vietnam?
    How can one person spout so much ignorance. Amazing. The total tonnage in so few sentences is, or would be, impressive if it wasn't so profoundly sad.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    I didn't dodge anything. You didn't give anything to respond to.
     
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    This is not a genocide. Those protesters who think it is a genocide are just objectively wrong.

    First of all, casualty figures are coming from a Hamas source, and they are suspect. But even if they are correct, the current claimed casualties being around 34,000 dead, that amounts to 1.6% of Gaza's population. If we don't count the Hamas terrorists killed, only non-combatants, that percentage becomes even smaller, in the vicinity of 1%.
    That 1% just simply doesn't rise to the level deserving of being called a genocide.

    And the other thing that is upside down in their thinking is that Gaza's government provoked this war. They wanted this war. They committed an atrocity that was bad enough that any nation on earth would have responded by declaring war against the other nation that did that to their people. We know that there is always loss of civilian life in war. Gaza's government also knew this, but they perpetrated their atrocities anyway, knowing it would result in the loss of life of some of their people. So who do we blame? Gaza's government knowingly sentenced a number of their own people to death by warfare when they did what they did. If they hadn't done what they did, all of the Gazans who have died as a result would still be alive and well today. Hamas has betrayed all of the dead, wounded, sick and hungry who live under their jurisdiction. Hamas is responsible for this loss of life and suffering.
     
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    MAGA is in the protests too
     
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    I can see how the facts might have irritated you.. A lot of this could be solved by looking in to history before claiming the rediculous.

    Peace with honor..

    His campaign promice was to end the war LMAO.. Clearly history eludes you ;)
     
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    Nukes...
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Then a two-state solution would definitely ruin their plans...
     
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    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

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    You don’t know what questions are? I even made them simple for you.

    how disappointing
     

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