Did Trump care if his hush money affairs would hurt Melania and Ivanka?

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe she was having a breakfast taco?
     
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    You're trying to draw distinctions that don't matter. All in order to make this somehow "different". There is no distinction. Doesn't matter if the newly wed wife is pregnant, right after she gives birth, or not pregnant at all. Cheating is cheating.
     
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    Are you suggesting, then, that there is a good time to cheat on your spouse? I understand that it is more disgusting with the timing, but a cheat is a cheat. I don't hold him in less esteem (if I could) because of the timing.
     
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    I shook my head at Clinton's stupidity - lying to cover it up. If Trump's offense was simply lying, I would have the same attitude.
     
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    Cheating is cheating. Seems to me like you're trying to create distinctions where none exist in order to denigrate Trump for doing something that other people you won't denigrate also did.

    What do you think JFK should've done differently with the Bay of Pigs? My understanding is that the invasion as planned was completely dependent on the element of surprise and had no chance of success once a combination of KGB spies, poorly coordinated aircraft operations and some trigger-happy frogmen alerted Cuban forces to the imminent invasion, causing casualty projections to skyrocket and chances of success to plummet. The whole point of the operation was to liberate Cuba without making it a prolongued military quagmire that had a high risk of escalating to global war. Once the element of surprise was lost, the operation became, by all metrics, a total failure. Calling a halt to a failed operation seems more reasonable to me, than pushing it on to fail even more...
     
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    Let’s be honest…Trump only cares about one person and that person is himself.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's one take but the general public knows the deal. Instead of chilling on a yacht with 20 yr old supermodels and enjoying his old age, he's fighting for the people
    What's the left fighting for again? Oh right, i remember now, the genocide of Jews
     
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    Now you're venturing int artificial


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    Who cares about Trump's love life , infidelities, etc. It is the fact that he tried to cover it up , make pay offs, and did it in an illegal, unethical way. He was deceitful . Most of his "policies" had no lasting substance .
    If Melania did not know the character of the man she married , then she is dumber than she appears. Now that Baron is graduating, it will be interesting to see how long she "stands by her man" She is absent from the campaign trail by choice.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She's way smarter than Trump. She's fluent FIVE languages! That is super impressive. She also made her own fortune before getting involved with The Donald. and if someone like me that is less smart can remember all of those Trump cheating billionaire tabloid stories from the 80s, surely she was aware and most likely did not care.
     
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    Is cheating on your spouse not already unethical? How is trying to hide it more unethical? In the vast majority of cases, cheating on your spouse invariably leads to trying to hide it ...right? Did JFK or Clinton not try to hide it?

    The point is the difference between personal life and policymaking. Jimmy Carter, by all indications, was faithful to his wife (...or much better at hiding unfaithfulness). But his policymaking still sucked. He was a good man, not a good president. The two are not linked.
     
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    Ha…you have an odd take on what 20 yr old supermodels are interested in. Trump ain't it. He’s looking to get elected so he won’t be a one term president. All about his ego.
    No idea what the Left is fighting for. You’d have to ask a Dem spokesperson what those idiots are fighting for.
     
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    How many freedoms did Trump take away? The left has said it's a lot but never name any. Now compare that to democrats whose only reason to exist is to tell us what we can't do and what we must do.....and pay more taxes.
     
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    I know. I've been waiting for this answer for a few years now. still never, ever got one except stuff about J6 (something they view worse than 9-11)
     
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    He threatens the 'freedom' to limit other people's freedoms with increased democratic collective authority. That is what some people think 'our freedom' is.
     
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    J6 WAS very bad as it was Americans in an insurrection to try and change the results of an election. This internal strife is destructive and toxic to the nation...and has the potential to affect elections and the constitution.
    9 11 was done by foreign group AGAINST this country Ultra bad too. but it brought the nation together instead of splitting it internally. Neither is acceptable by any means.
     
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    I understand you wish to shape the narrative to suit your self and you want to take the word of a woman who has screw more men than she has hairs on her head because it is about Trump.
     
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    700 hundred essentially unarmed idiots does not an inurrection make no matter how desperately the left wants to make it so.
     
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    Nope. But the guy who tried to reduce regulatory overburden is lot closer to the standard I want than the party that is yelling about about how dangerous free speech is and doing everything the can to create a ministry of truth.
     
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    I liked Biden as a senator from Delaware. He was a good safe alternative to Trump in 2020. But a lot has changed since then. Number one, Biden is president now, not Trump. He’s had 4 years to assert his policies. Most Americans haven’t liked what he has done. With Biden’s very low approval numbers, in the past, in every other election that would ensure his defeat. But Biden is lucky, his opponent is Trump. Trump is just as disliked by most Americans as Biden is for different reasons. Both are unwanted by most Americans to become the next president.


    Biden is no longer that safe alternative. He’s a very weak candidate, In the eyes of most Americans, which count Biden has failed at his job. Sure, Democrats support him 100% and think he’s done a great job. But they’re in the minority. Below is Biden’s overall job approval and his approval on most issues.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues


    Biden is a good man, a respected man whose job performance has left most Americans wanting. That is where Biden is disliked and one of the main reasons most Americans don’t want him reelected. The other reason is his age and the fear of his mental fitness for 4 more years on the job. Trump is just the opposite, he’s a bad man, not respected as a man, unless that respect comes from fear among the MAGA republicans of retribution. Trump has a ton of legal problems. Which should do him in. But that doesn’t change the fact the democrats are going with what may be their weakest candidate against Trump. That today gives Trump a 50-50 chance of regaining the white house.


    I would remind Democrats that whereas in 2020, that election was all about Trump. Biden just had to be an acceptable alternative which he was. In 2024, this election is just as much about Biden as it is about Trump. Just being an acceptable alternative to Trump isn’t enough this time. Biden is president with a record. In the eyes of most Americans, not a very good one as the above job approvals show. Blame it on the republicans, blame it on messaging, blame it on whoever or whatever. Placing blame isn’t going to change the fact most Americans don’t want Biden reelected as most Americans don’t want Trump to regain the white house. This upcoming rematch is an election made in hell for most Americans, full of dislikes and don’t wants. How that dislike and unwantedness translates on election day, we’ll have to wait and see. But I do think Trump will lose as Biden will be the candidate that is less disliked, less unwanted.
     
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    Trump hadn’t taken away any of my freedoms. Then again neither has Biden.
     
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    We see again the slippery slope up there on the high moral ground.liberals tend to claim as they so arrogantly judge trump.

    Their acceptance of the dalliance of their man(woman) clinton and biden on the one hand while offering no leniency for trump speaks volumes doesn't it?
     
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    A depraved, lying, cheating fraudster can still achieve your political agenda.
     
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    He wanted to disfranchise the vote of millions of Americans.
     
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    Do you think Trump follows the teachings found in the Bibles he sells?
     
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