The entire justification for the US weapons sent to Ukraine is the claim that Russia had invaded Ukraine. The assertion that Russia had invaded Ukraine was made with a further claim that the action was without justification or any necessity. Biden: "The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity." That the Russian Federation moved forces in to protect Donetsk from the artillery, on Feb 24th in response to particularly heavy shelling by the Ukraine Armed Forces five days earlier on Feb 19th was not mentioned.
The US public may feel no responsibility for what has now grown into a war, because that responsibility was taken by Joe Biden for misinforming us, but I don't think so because we do have an Internet these days and just a few minutes of research will show that Russia responded to our initial weapons supplies, and aggression by elements of the Ukraine Armed Forces, often referred to as 'the Azov Battalion'. It's a house of cards, the whole thing is supported by nothing more than one simple lie. It is a house built on sand. I don't think it is going to last to Christmas, maybe not even until Election Day.
Here is an article saying the exact opposite: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/19/ukraine-russia-war-donbas/ Btw, Donetsk is in Ukraine. What business is it of Russia?
The article is behind a paywall. I have relied on my information about the shelling of Donetsk, supplied by Patrick Lancaster who lived in Donetsk, and maybe still does, who went around taking short movies and sending them out to the West. It was a difficult call to make, whether to believe Patrick and a number of Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine, or the official US press. Even eye witnesses in the battle often don't know who started it.
My concern recently is not about who started the war, because I have found that once someone has taken a side they won't change their opinions, but to understand that the actions taken by the entire military industrial complex, making over a million big six inch fragmentation shells, supplying many millions of bullets, the long range missiles we send so they can hit Russia all those actions are based on the claim that "Russia Started it" and all blame is also apportioned using that one claim, a claim I have heard so many times since the present stage of the war started. That's a lot to base on a claim that has little or nothing to support it. The rock the house is built on is just a tiny pebble on top of tons of sand.
I can understand doubting the press. But, a buildup of arms in defense of Ukraine is NOT a justification for Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russia has ben clear about its objectives. And, suggesting they are defensive is preposterous. Further, there is no reasonable possibility that a buildup of arms in Ukraine was part of a plan to attack Russia.
? Really? The build up of weapons, growing a NATO armed and trained army of 680,000 soldiers, the missiles based in Romania and Poland, the nuclear weapons in Germany, and the shelling of Ukraine, was I would suggest more about posturing than fighting at that stage. The missiles for example were initially fitted with ABMs and the control systems were set up for ABMs. They could be fitted with nuclear-armed missiles and were originally designed for attack and could be changed back to attack without visible alterations. It was about threatening Russia at that stage, 'poking the bear'.
The reason NATO built up eastern European border areas was entirely defensive. The west long saw Russia as a rogue nation that very much COULD choose to attack. Claiming there was no justification for that thought just isn't supportable. Besides, that has been fully proven out, as the assault by Russia has been entirely offensive, with the plan being ownership of Ukraine, a sovereign nation.
The Kyiv controlled UAF heavily bombarded Donetsk on Feb 19 2022, five days before the Russian Federation moved forces in to protect Donetsk. Also if you look at where the Russian forces have been for two years, it has been on the West of Donetsk protecting it against artillery. To put things in perspective, 2/3 of the world's population reject the Biden narrative entirely and even Western Europe gives it limited credence. Biden's claim of 'the whole world is with us' is nothing but another cheap lie.
The reason I'm so skeptical is because I heard the news a lot during the Vietnam War and although it may have been factually correct, it left out all the important bits. The Vietnam War is now sufficiently in the past to be able to read about it and get some accurate and more complete information about it even in Wikipedia. If you ask yourself how much factual basis there was for starting that war you will understand how little is regarded as sufficient to start a war, maybe not in every case, but surprisingly often is enough.
I agree with this last part. Our actions do NOT support what we claim is what we stand for. Today, we support genocide with bombs and political protection to prevent others from interceding. Nobody can look at that and claim we are consistent with the expressions of purpose and values laid out in our founding documents or with the religious beliefs we claim to have. However, that does not form a justification for the attempted conquest of Ukraine and the subjugation of its people to the government and principles of Russia. Even Russia signed the UN charter that states VERY clearly that what Russia is doing is a violation of world agreement.
Russia is keeping their word, if you check the map, the Russian forces are forming a defensive line to protect Donetsk, and were not invading all of Ukraine as Joey claimed. But, as the US has supplied longer-ranged offensive weapons for shelling Donetsk and Crimea and other regions, Russia has had to move further west to protect Donetsk. Trying to correct Biden's lies is like trying to protect New Orleans from a flood using a mop and bucket. I have to go and deal with a car breakdown.
I read a quite controversial book a few years ago that puts forward the theory that some members of the CIA have gotten into a rather dark aspect of the occult phenomena....... ...... very dark indeed.......... https://www.amazon.ca/Cities-Under-Plain-journey-understand-ebook/dp/B00L57H1WM Could that world be so dark that they might put biological weapons research facilities in Ukraine........ in order to provoke Russia..... somewhat deliberately??????? Do a search for the research done by Mr. Ingo Swann... and you will get an idea of how this is connected to REMOTE VIEWING!!!!!!
The effort that has gone into the war in Ukraine is substantial, well over 100,000 million dollars in weapons, plus pay for the army we raised in Ukraine, funds for the Ukrainian govt officials since the tax payers are mostly off at war or have left the country. money to run the entire country. That entire commitment is justified by the claim that the war started on Feb 24 2022, made by Biden in a statement he read off a teleprompter to the press. Everyone knows that it didn't, but not everyone has bothered to investigate when it actually started and who started it. Because that requires effort.
People ask me for proof of things I say and I do provide good evidence, but note that when Joe Biden read crap off the teleprompter he knew wasn't true because he had personally as VP approved the CIA regime change operation in Ukraine directed by Victoria Nuland of the State Department, and that was in 2014 just as NATO clearly stated, Biden was not asked for any evidence, and would not have been able to provide any because the stuff he said was totally untrue. The public heard it, believed it and can not change their minds.
So now I'm mostly writing in healthcare because the US is just going to go to war as much as it can until it goes bankrupt, And the public will believe any excuse they are given however many times they've heard it before: 'We are fighting for freedom' or 'we are fighting for democracy'. So we removed a democratically elected President and now Ukraine has no elections and V Zelenskyy has made it illegal to negotiate with Russia about the war and in his speech Bidden claimed Russia was refusing to negotiate. The public will believe anything and then stick with it long after it is disproven.
?? Do you think Putin IS interested in negotiations? What's your problem with our healthcare? I have issues with what we're doing, too.
Yes Russia including Pres Putin has been attempting to negotiate, making perfectly reasonable offers since 2008 when moving NATO into Ukraine was first proposed.
NATO said, the perfectly reasonable terms of not joining NATO, were unacceptable and rejected the terms and therefore choose war. Joining NATO meant a huge army, much bigger than Ukraine could afford, parked next to Russia, and missiles in Ukraine able to strike Russia. Russia objected to NATO moving into Ukraine and the American diplomats knew 100% that would be the case and conveyed that message to Washington which ignored it. All this is readily available but isn't spoon fed by the mainstream media to the public, so it gets ignored. Biden lies, but it is easier to believe the lies.
It was already Russian forces being shelled though. Russia has effectively invaded the Donbas in 2014 (albeit without insignia) and intentionally turned the legitimate political disputes in the region in to an all out civil war. Many of the public leaders of that were literally politicians and soldiers from Russia. Putin had clearly hoped they could take effective control of the Donbas in 2014 without using their regular forces, just like they did with Crimea. That didn't work out for them though, which is the real reason he launched his "special military operation" in 2022. The actions of the Ukraine government certainly weren't always perfect over that period, but the idea that Russia is the shiny hero rushing in to protect innocent civilians is ridiculous, especially given how much they've shelled and bombed civilian areas in the subsequent war.
