"If He Wins" -Time, here's a quick list of what Trump's gonna do

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    List summarized from recent cover article about Trump, 'If He Wins".

    https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/

    Let's discuss each item:
    1. Restore and Expand Border Policies: Reinstate the "Remain in Mexico" policy and Title 42, allowing for the expulsion of migrants without asylum processing. Direct federal funding to resume construction of the border wall, potentially reallocating military budget funds without congressional approval. Plan a massive deportation operation targeting millions of undocumented immigrants

    2. Cut Regulations and Funding: Implement drastic cuts to the Department of Justice's budget and environmental regulations. Restore the impoundment power, allowing the president to withhold congressionally appropriated funds

    3. Focus on Anti-Abortion Policies: Push for the enforcement of stringent anti-abortion measures, potentially involving the monitoring of pregnancies and prosecuting violations of state-imposed abortion bans

    4. Appoint a Special Prosecutor: Vow to appoint a "real special prosecutor" to investigate Joe Biden, tying his actions to the outcome of a Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity

    5. Pardon January 6 Defendants: Consider pardoning individuals accused or convicted of crimes related to the January 6 Capitol attack, referring to them as "patriots"

    6. Change International Relations: Shift U.S. foreign policy to a more transactional approach, potentially disregarding alliances unless they provide direct financial benefits to the U.S.

    7. Revise Tax and Trade Policies: Extend the 2017 tax cuts and possibly introduce significant tariffs on imports, including up to 100% tariffs on some Chinese goods
    Critique:
    #1. This would go back to the xenophobic cruel and inhumane policy of Trump. The Lankford Bill from the Senate is much better than this. You can't use the numbers as a comparative base, if your numbers are derived from cruel and inhumane treatment of humans.

    #2. Would fortify his desire to be dictator, not only on day one, but days 2, 3, and beyond.

    #3. This one ought to get Biden reelected. Clearly, Trump is out of step with the electorate.

    #4. Trump better hope the SC doesn't give the president 'total immunity' because Trump's wet dreams about what he'd like to do to Biden, Biden would be able to do to him. But that's not going to happen. Anyway, I'm not worried about this, no AG, given that they are bound by ethical codes of the legal profession, No AG can prosecute Biden without evidence, and, I assure you, there is no evidence. I'd be surprised if there were any grand jury that would prosecute him. Not gonna happen.

    #5. More evidence Trump is a Putin Puppet/FSB 'useful idiot'. This would make Putin smile. Just like a dictator to not respect the rule of law.

    #6. Trump's transactional approach to foreign policy embolden's this well known quote, by anonymous (as relayed by ABC newsman Jonathan Karl's book regarding a quote by a Senior WH official)

    He lacks any shred of human decency, humility or caring. He is morally bankrupt, breathtakingly dishonest, lethally incompetent, and stunningly ignorant of virtually anything related to governing, history, geography, human events or world affairs. He is a traitor and a malignancy in our nation and represents a clear and present danger to our democracy and the rule of law.

    BTW, I'm guessing that's Anthony Scaramucci's quote, but I dunno. Seems that he wouldn't let it be anonymous, given he's not beholden to Trump.

    #7. Tariffs on raw materials raises the price on all manufactured goods in which those materials are used. If the federal deficit wasn't high enough already, and if Trump's rich buddies aren't rich enough already, this tax largesse for the superrich is a terrible idea.

    This, plus all the chaos and crime that surrounds Trump, his hiring cronies, no 'adults in the room' this time, they will all be sycophants, his desire to redo the government so that anyone can be fired on the spot if they don't jump when Trump says jump, will be a disaster for the country. Many departments depend on skilled, learned leadership in which the rank and file can have confidence in the mission of the department, and Trump is going to tear at the fabric of America, and rip it to shreds. No doubt he'll leave most of the ambassadorships vacant, as he did last time, gut the EPA, and all that's good.

    God helps us if he is reelected. Talk about putting a cockroach in charge of the sugar factory. It's going to be hell. But MAGA folks cheer it. How bizarre and sad.
     
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  2. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whelp, I gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised at the lack of 'Trump's gonna enslave black people again and murder all the gays' BS. I guess they finally figured out ppl didn't buy that crap in 2016 and they arent going to now either.

    1- we cannot shelter all the worlds poor. That may be 'cruel', but no more so than gravity or time is.

    2- one mans 'cut funding' is another mans 'I can use my resources better than a committee can.' It all boils down to the individual vs the collective. The USA was founded on preferring the individual, personally I still think that's the wisest course.

    3- I hope we can avoid making abortion a priority. Let horrible people get their horrible abortions already. As long as they pay for em themselves, it only effects them. Its not like its the only immoral thing we let people do. But alas, its prolly true that a Trump admin will be bad for 'abortion rights.' If only every political race in memory hadn't forced me to choose between supporting other peoples right to kill unborn children and the right to defend myself with firearms, maybe it would've been a more difficult choice...

    4- Joe Biden will be in hospice before any such investigation would bear fruit. This will be an unfortunate waste of resources. As such, It will also be par-for-the-course for FedGov.

    5- er, what? Is this the 'pissing hookers' thing again? Or is this more 'democracy can't survive Ukrainian Russians seceding from Ukraine'? I promise you, it can.

    6- What the hell is wrong with foreign policy being transactional? What else should it be based on?

    7- Free trade doesn't really work when competing with nations that use slave labor. Failure to accept this just makes all of us slaves. It would be nice if folks would volunteer to pay higher prices for goods manufactured by other free and prosperous peoples ...but by-and-large they don't. Tariffs are the best of the bad solutions.

    I don't think govt employees being subject to the same job insecurity as the rest of us is going to topple civilization. The bureaucracy needs a haircut (or a diaper change) and bad. We'll still be OK (better off imo) with less (or less comfortable) minders.
     
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  3. kriman

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    More people are hurt by Biden's policies than were by Trump's. You choose to disregard the numbers because they destroy your case, but orders of magnitude more illegals are hurt and killed and more Americans are hurt and killed by Biden's policies.

    It is a bit like breaking into someone's home. If the intruder gets killed or injured in the process, he always had the option not to break into the home to start with. They don't have to cross our border illegally.
     
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    Can you identify what policies Biden has implemented that you feel like has hurt others?
    Inflation started prior to him taking office and was seen worldwide. We are still doing better than our G7 peers, and much of it today is caused by corporate profits. What would trump do to correct this?

    Housing prices are due to a lack of inventory driven party to institutional investors growing the percentage of “starter homes” in some areas by a rate of 400% or 4x prior rates. Another factor is homes not being resold due to the super low interest rates they received such as the 2-3% rates when the FED tried to prop up trumps failed economic growth.

    Immigration, I agree Biden sucks here but Republicans are also trying to do nothing to hurt Biden further

    trump made sure that all women would have less rights than when he entered office. His court has systematically targeted groups they like and don’t like, ignoring precedent and even reasoning they used in other cases
     
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    What about if he loses? Is he planning on burning down the house? :)
     
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    They cross because they are welcomed... 50% chance of gaining some kind of residency. Not bad.
     
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    Failure to enforce the border.
     
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    Pretty much every president has had that issue

    If it’s worth crashing our economy because the self proclaimed king of debt has the reins, stealing the bodily autonomy of women and girls, and pushing religious ideology into law then maybe Americans do deserve what’s coming to them.

    What sucks though — should he win, no matter what he does or fails to do, Republicans will take responsibility for zero of it. It would be different if this would be a learning lesson for the nation.
     
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    if #3 is true then I agree. (didn't they learn from those brutal midterms?)
     
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    Well and good. Most Americans know this already, they’ve had 8 years to get to know Trump. They also have had 4 years to get to know Biden which wasn’t the case in 2020. The consensus out there is most Americans don’t want neither one to become the next president. Around 60% don’t want Biden reelected, about 60% don’t want Trump to return to the white house. This is the problem with this rematch. The two major parties have produced two candidates disliked and unwanted by most Americans.

    Still, with most knowing what you posted, even with the two completed civil trials in New York, the hush money case going on in New York, the 91 federal indictments, the Georgia case, they haven’t as of today changed the dynamics of this rematch. Trump continues to lead Biden in the polls by a slight margin.

    Two candidate race:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

    Five-way race:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

    Perhaps this says more about Biden which the voters got to know over the last 4 years than Trump. The voters already knew Trump, they know what to expect from him. Now they also know Biden. Concerns about his age and the ability to survive another term, his mental fitness along with what most Americans view, a very poor job performance. Biden’s approval numbers both overall job performance and on most issues is in the pits.

    Age and mental fitness

    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HHP_Apr2024_KeyResults.pdf

    Overall job performance

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    Most issues

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

    Neither Biden nor the democrats have given the voters any reason to vote for Biden, but they’ve given the voters a million and one reasons to vote against Trump. Biden’s whole campaign to date has centered on just one thing, he isn’t Trump. What Biden and the democrats fail to realize this time around, this election unlike 2020 when Trump was president. 2020 was all about Trump, a referendum on Trump, not Biden. But 2024, Biden is president now, not Trump. This election isn’t just about Trump, ALA 2020. It’s about both. A referendum on both. Voters today know all about both and most don’t like what they see, what both brings to the table. The democrats better quickly come to realize this election is just as much about Biden, perhaps slightly more so than just about Trump which 2020 was.
     
  11. Kal'Stang

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    @modernpaladin did a fairly good job of responding to you so I'm only going to respond to a couple of these.

    1: Hell yes we should restore and expand our border policies. The current ones are hurting Americans and those coming here which you don't care about as evidenced by the fact that you don't acknowledge how they're hurting Americans AND those coming here. You claim to be against "cruel and inhumane treatment of humans" but ignore what this mass migration has done to Americans AND those coming here. The deaths. The people put out on the street. The jobs lost. The suppression of wages. The rapes of around 80% of women and children coming here. The slave labor.

    3: Good. However, the "monitoring of pregnancies" is just scare tactics 101. Its not even a feasible ability to do much less what anyone actually wants.
     
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    Just compare the numbers.
     
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    And yet no President has had 10 million people enter the US illegally in just 1 term of their Presidency. Yes, people are going to enter the country illegally. That can't be fully stopped and no one has said it can be. But it CAN be curbed. Every President prior to Biden has shown that much when compared to Biden.

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    LINK: Nationwide Encounters | U.S. Customs and Border Protection (cbp.gov)

    Adds up to 9,657,741 ...and that chart doesn't even have 2020 in it. If 2024 keeps up the same pace we'll have over 11 million people having entered the US illegally...all before the end of Bidens term.
     
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    I think it's great. Just exactly what I'd expect.

    Make America Great Again!
     
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    I definitely think this is an issue and one of the primary policy disagreements I have with Democrats

    This issue started in 2019 though when the numbers doubled, they calmed down during Covid but then ramped back up.

    I just don’t understand why y’all think trump is going to do much better when his rates started exploding towards the end of his term.

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    I don't fear what USA-loving Trump is "gonna do", I fear what USA-hating Biden has done.
     
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    Trump seldom does what he says he's going to do - or claims that he did - as all his unfulfilled 2016 campaign promises amply attest.

    He's still braying that he built that wall that he insisted he would make Mexico pay for:

     
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    Do you think the president should be able to control the FED and basically set interest rates that might held the nation temporarily but hurt it in the long term (we are already seeing some ramifications of this)

    Do you think states should be able to monitor the pregnancy of women?

    Should the federal government be able to send in the military to address any concerns in any state that sitting president may have — even without consent of the governor
     
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    Everyone having to do with immigration Thousands of women and girls being raped on the way to the US daily. The US being the port of call for human traffickers and of course who could forget the fentanyl deaths more than a 100k last year alone. And of course that ignores all the baby girls that were being aborted. Some of whom now get the most basic right of all, the right to life. And of course the last is BS. And lets not for Plessy and a few dozen other racist rulings were once considered precedent.
     
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    First if those seven things actually happen God will bless this country. That would actually be God helping this country. Bizarre and sad is that there are US citizens who dislike these ideas.
     
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    The definition of cognitive dissonance.
     
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    Perchance, stealth technology?

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    Which god?

    Why would your god bless a rich country while ignoring so much suffering around the world?
     
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    Well, if he's an illusionist, it's lost on me, just sayin' :)
     
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    His delusion that he was elected President of the United States in 2016 is probably compensation for his being disabused of other fantasies.

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