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That's not their stated position.

The Palestinian population in Israel has gone up by 1m since 2000.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

Whose land was it to give in 1947?



The British? The Palestinians? Did Jews, invited by the Ottomans and British, at any point have a legitimate right to participate in deciding their futures? The Allies at the end of WW2? The United Nations?

The Jews accepted both of these situations...



I think the Palestinians and their Arab brethren should have accepted the UN Plan and accepted the United Nations' view that 630,000 Jews and nearly twice that number of Muslims would have trouble coexisting in one country.

That's not what went down during Ottoman rule and the British Mandate.

Israel is not a colonial power. More than 80% of Israelis were born Israel.

To where? Egypt and Jordan won't take them.

Does this make the point?

Sept. 13, 2005, 7:01 PM PDT / Source: The Associated Press

Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.

Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.​

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

What freedom? They won't have freedom until they stop trying to remove Jews from Israel.

Gaza has 80% unemployment. No money.

 

I liked your post because has some good info about UN land boundaries .. some of your comments were however sketchy .. "Not colonialists" .. YES colonialists .. and that 80% born there now .. makes not one iota of difference to the question ?? The Zionist Conolonizers were not 80% born there .. the one's who committed the First act of Ethnic Cleansing known as the Nakba .. hundreds of thousands "Cleansed" from the Land .. as per the Zionist Charter... a cleaning and resulting blood-feud that has continued since then. The Palestinians living in an occupied apartheid state .. something not a big secret.

What all this have to do with the War Crimes - Crimes Against Humanity - Ethnic Cleansing in the guise of Collective Punishment . a baby extermination program killing 15,000 thus far.. ?

"They won't have freedom until they stop trying to remove the dirty Arabs from the promised land" ?! is that not a more accurate way to put things .. the Zionist - Likud charter "From the River to the Sea" Israeli Sovereignty .. Cleansing of the Land - like the "Amalek" say Bibi

I say like the Irish delegates to the UN say "The Hague is too good for Bibi" .. and Genocide Joe should follow not far behind.

 

Thanks. All this has been posted multiple times but those darned faith based narratives are totally immune to factual information and the historical record. The Arabs had their claimed wish for a two state solution in 1947 but instead five Arab nations attacked the newly formed Israel and started the string of consecutive losses until today.

 

The Arabs rejecting a bad deal back in 1947 has little bearing on the Guilt of Bibi in his Ethnic Cleansing of the Land campaign in 2024.

As the Irish delegates to the UN say "The Hague is too good for Bibi" ..

 

Palestinians were to have their property given away by the British, and they were to LIKE that?

What's missing in your analysis is that you do not ONCE consider Palestinians.

And, how magnanimous of the Jews for being happy with the gigantic track of land, statehood, UN membership they were give.

Yet, there was NO consideration for Palestinians and their full justification for statehood and for UN membership as voted by the UNSC (but vetoed by the US, of course). The UN plan! From a club that considered Palestinians unworthy of consideration.


Instead, the USA has supported the Israeli colonization of West Bank and the last decades of war Israel has waged against Gaza while preventing negotiations called for by President Abbas.

After all, Israel is democratic!! And, Palestinian elections are to be ignored.

 

Palestinians have never had any territory to give away. You continuously ignore that basic fact which blows apart the faith based narrative which is continuously parroted in every similar thread on this forum.

The Arabs had exactly what they profess to desire in 1947. But the Arabs gave it away.

 

Israel was given as you note above.

Since then, Israel has certainly grown, but that doesn't change who they are.

Today, Israel has been colonizing West Bank for decades and has been working on colonizing Gaza for even longer.

Yes, Netanyahu wants Palestinians in Gaza gone. Egypt already has large numbers of refugees. And, why should Jordan take millions of Palestinians??

Netanyahu has even considered the US port as being a way to move the Palestinians he wants to be rid of.

As for you cite, yes. Gaza wanted Israeli colonialism gone. The failure that many point to was the fact that there was no negotiation leading to an understanding of borders, possible payments, orderly withdrawal, etc.

Gaza is not trying to remove Jews from Israel.

That is just not what is going on AT ALL.

Palestine IS trying to end the colonization of their land by Israel. Your maps are FALSE in that they don't show the magnitude of West Bank that has been stolen, nor does it show areas where Palestinians live under Israeli military rule - without representation.

And, Gaza was under the war of Israel for two decades and still makes offers that don't change borders nor do they demand reparations.

Yes. No money. After 20 years of siege, not being allowed exports, being denied an economy, losing farmland to Israel's border carved from Palestinian land, etc., Gaza is broke. For those 20 years, they were food insecure as rated by world humanitarian groups. They were supplemented by aid. They were prevented from fishing their own waters. Their airport was destroyed by Israel. They couldn't import products like bleach for sanitation.

Once the war is over, there are industries that would consider Gaza, especially considering the labor and the apparent presence of fossil fuel reserves. They have desirable sea front, says Eric Trump (lol).

Gaza could be reasonably well to do if it weren't for the 20 years of Israeli war that insured hopelessness.

 

There was agreement on the 1967 borders.

What is continually forgotten is:
- Israel's theft and colonization of West Bank.
- the 20 years of war that Israel has waged against Gaza.

And, more recently we see Israel + USA hit Gaza with total destruction and genocide, slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians - especially including women and children (of all ages).

 

What theft? Israel was attacked in 1967. Israel gained control of part of the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula.

Again with the fiction of casualties in Gaza. The great majority of those killed are Hamas terrorists or direct supporters plus unfortunately voluntary or coerced human shields and those killed by errant Iranian rockets and those killed attempting to distribute humanitarian aid food supplies. This has been proven multiple times but we still witness those perpetuating the fiction that is the Hamas dead baby strategy.

 

No, Gaza and West Bank comprise Palestine.

No, the VAST majority of those killed in the last 6 months are Palestinian civilians. There just aren't that many fighters in Gaza. Israel is clearly claiming that many of the civilians they kill belong to some Hama battalion - with no evidence.,

Plus, a lot of the battles have a major underground component - where the IDF never goes.

Israel is losing the war. They are trying to fight on multiple fronts - Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Gaza, West Bank at least. Their economy is flagging. Israelis have decreasing interest in continuing beyond retrieving hostages - which Hamas is willing to do! The world is turning against them as nobody will stand up for genocide.

 

How do you know the specifics of who has been killed , and how many of each segment??? How many more need to die before BIBI achieves his political objectives??

 

Well put -

 

Israel cannot win a 'war" on an ism. ( terrorism). They can keep killing , and it will only create more rage and more recruits for Hamas and other terrorist groups. War is not the response to terrorism. but a war response usually has other motives and a multitude people must die for these motives. In a bizarre way, the attack on Israel created an "opportunity" for Bibi to continue his role in power when he was about to lose favor with the people. So, technically, BOTH parties are wrong..(responsible)......and the result is mass casualties , bloodshed and inhumanity .

 

It's provable that Israel is undercounting their own IDF dead.

Attacks on the IDF often get filmed by those doing the attacking. That vid is made public pretty much on the day after it is taken. They blur out faces and crop scenes to protect important info, so it takes a day.

The Israeli after action reports of IDF dead and injured are often an undercount of what can be seen in the videos.

Those vids show air and ground rescues of IDF. Even when an easy shot, those actions are not attacked, at least in the vids.

 

Ok, let's see this proof.

Let's see some.

Need I repeat myself again.

 

What is your source for the absurd claim that the West Bank and Gaza comprise Palestine? That would be news for Jordan and Egypt.

Israel has won the war. All that remains is to clean up the Hamas scum in Rafah.

 

Where is the proof? What videos? What is the source of the videos?

 

I have shown this multiple times. Hamas has admitted that most of what the Hamas controlled Gazan Ministry of Health are Hamas terrorists or direct supporters.

 

You can start at 7:15 or so if you want. The numbers comparison comes closer to the end, but it will mean less if you just skip to find it nearer the end.

 

Many of the attacks on the IDF are accompanied by cameramen.

The source I use edits out the actual IDF troops falling and cuts out the sound, as these aren't snuff films and there is an effort to keep them on youtube.

This is one of many such videos.

 

. And the reason you accept their numbers vs IDF? This comes very slanted towards Hamas.

 

What is the source of this?

 

Exactly. The Hamas dead baby strategy relies on useful idiots to spread their propaganda.

 

This is not the only vid of Gaza vs Israel.

Israel is a FOUNTAIN of false news.

In this case, there are reports from both sides on particular operations, so the claims can be compared to the vid of the attack.,

 

LOL, and the vids are taken by who?