Could Benjamin Netanyahu Go To Jail? | If You’re Listening

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That didn't constitute ending the Israeli war against Gaza.

    The siege of Gaza has been functioning that full time. It blocks travel, imports, exports, fishing its own waters, etc.

    A siege IS a war. And, it has left Gaza in a constant state of devastation, food insecurity and hopelessness.

    In a war, it's fair to shoot back.

    And, the fact that the rockets are untargetable and almost always just bounce off the "iron dome" can NOT justify genocide.
     
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    That was an example of Hamas propaganda which media and individual useful idiots mindlessly and continuously repeat.
     
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    Hamas has been effectively eliminated as a fighting force in all of Gaza except for Rafah where there are 4 brigades left. The tunnels are fast becoming death traps for the remaining terrorists.
     
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    Hamas has been attacking Israeli civilians for the past 20 years. They justify their actions based on their charter which calls for genocide of the Jewish people and the complete destruction of the nation state of Israel. Hamas is responsible for all of the death and destruction which has taken place in Gaza in the last two decades.

    I can show you a video of little green men running around Madison Square Garden. Would you believe that??
     
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    I certainly hope there will be a ceasefire that brings genuine humanitarian relief to the people of Gaza and allows them to start the process of rebuilding their homes, mourning the loss of their loved ones, and schooling their kids and taking care of their families and loved ones.

    But I also want the ceasefire to reveal the extent of lies and propaganda employed by Israel and those in the media and elsewhere who spread such lies and propaganda as credible "news".

    Specifically, I would like the nature of Israel's actions to be clearly revealed. For people to be able to tell if Israel was even making a concerted effort to engage Hamas' military wing? Or was it mainly focused on siege warfare tactics to starve the Palestinians into submission, while engaging in murder, mayhem and arson targeting defenseless civilians to satisfy its notions of "deterrence" and "vengeance"?

    https://www.vox.com/world-politics/...-gaza-cairo-khan-younis-idf-gallant-netanyahu
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    According to Iranian sources, Hamas retains 90% of its pre-war forces. Other than depletion of a substantial portion of its rocket arsenal used in the war, its military strength has not diminished as a result of the genocidal tactics employed by Israel.
     
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    What way would YOU suggest? Seriously.

    Remember that Israel has refused any form of negotiation for more than 20 years, not only for Gaza but also for West Bank, where the US given arms and political protection so Israel can continue stealing land and refusing to negotiate.

    So, you can not propose negotiation. Neither Israel nor the US would allow that.

    If there is something you want to ask about "this garbage", please do.
    Amen.

    This IS important, even` after a peaceful Gaza exists.

    From what I've gathered from other sources, yes - the brigades defending Gaza are still fully able to conduct their defense.

    I've also heard that Israel can probably not oppose Hezbollah successfully.

    And, Israel needs to be rooted out of West Bank.
     
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    I dont know about fishing but as far as travel, imports and exports goes, Israel is less restrictive than Egypt. Is Egypt waging war on Gaza?

    Gaza has one of the worlds highest natural population growth rates. Higher than Israel's entire population growth who encourages Jews from around the world to immigrate to Israel. Claims of genocide demonstrate the absurdity of your position. Would be like claiming that WWII was a genocide of Germans.
     
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    The only way peace and prosperity can return to Gaza is if Hamas is effectively removed from Faza by the IDF and Israel provides security against Hamas terrorism. Iran funds Hamas. Iranian sources are not credible.
     
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    Netanyahu's top advisors have a very different view.

    They are strongly advocating for the slaughter of all Palestinians, not just fighters. They call for genocide BY NAME. They state that what they want IS genocide - not just wholesale slaughter.

    They complain about the IDF making arrests, saying that those arrested should have been shot, because they already have a lot of captives.

    This story is coming from Haaretz. I've linked another site that has a copy of the article and no paywall, like Haaretz has.

    You can find other Israeli sites that state the same thing, or pay up and the pay wall - it's a good source, though obviously pro Israel. Al Jazeera is probably better, but Israel does not agree with having speech rights.

    Israelis has major objections to this government.

    Also, the IDF lost in Gaza. You just have to start recognizing that fact. The IDF can not attempt to restart their ground operations.

    Smotrich calls for genocide again
     
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    The question is what can Gaza import from world sources, given that it must go through crossings that Israel monitors for content. Israel searches goods at the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza.

    For example, semi trucks of aid have been turned away for problems such as scissors in medical kits for treating kids.

    Every truck must be unpacked for Israeli inspection to find banned articles

    Here is a very cursory overview.
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/01/midd...estrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html

    So, children get arms and legs amputated without anesthetics.
    The genocide started after Oct 7.

    High population growth is correlated with poverty. The siege of Gaza, lasting 20 years, has meant that Gazan's have lived in crushing poverty, unable to export, fish their productive waters travel, etc. They have survived in part on semi loads of aid, but the majority have been what aid groups like those associated with the UN call "food insecure".

    Israel has operated Gaza as a giant open air prison.

    Did you really not know this?
     
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    BS. You said for 20 years. Before the current invasion of Gaza, Israel's presence at the Rafa crossing consisted of a CCTV camera. Egypt agreed to not allow weapons. Half of Gaza imports come through Israel, half through Egypt. Preventing weapon imports isnt a siege.
     
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    You can chase pipedreams and follow the lead of spin-masters, or you might actually realize that the solution for a lasting peace requires foremost a redress of the imbalance of power that American foreign policy has sought for decades. Once such a balance of power takes effect, the proper solution would see the formation of a confederation (Confederation of Palestinian States) composed of an autonomous capital city of Jerusalem, the State of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. This entity would operate somewhat akin to the EU except the confederate authority would have its own passport and countries around the world could have direct diplomatic relations with the confederate authority instead of just its constituent states.
     
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    The only call for genocide comes from the Hamas charter.
     
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    The only prosperity that Gaza has enjoyed in the last 80 years were the years from 1967 to 2005 when Israel provided security and investment. What occurred in Gaza after Hamas violently overthrew the PA government is proof that a two state solution is not possible.
     

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