Women in Combat? Why?

Except there are no blatant physical differences between a black man and a white man.

Can they meet the standards? Sure. Are they as strong as their male counterparts? No.

How many times do you need to be told by many different people that your comparison is asinine? There are very obvious differences between a woman and a man. That is science.

Unless you are trolling (which you may be), you are not going on the ignore list. Who is stomping off in a pouty rage? You are the only one in this thread that is defensive. You continue to ignore our posts, look past our experience, fail to understand human anatomy, put words in our mouths, make the same invalid comparison, ect, ect. It is not that you do not agree with me, if you were able to shed your ignorance on the military we would be able to have a decent conversation about this. You are incapable of doing that and make it impossible for us to talk to you about this.

But that is not the point. The point is a lot of people in the infantry are incapable of being Green Berets, Rangers, or Delta. They do not have the endurance, mentality, and physical strength. Women, even if they are able to meet the standards, are still much weaker than the men in that line of work. That is the way nature is. We are not as strong as men. This is just one side of it and you seem to be ignoring the part about sexual attraction and menstrual cycles.

No, you just need to think about what I said.

I do not mind civilians opining about military matters so long as they have a general idea of what they are talking about. You have no clue and your mind is not open for us to explain it to you. You just keep posting the same nonsense and fail to understand what is posted. You then deride people's posts because they are not convenient to your Utopian ideas.

 

Excellent post. Too bad it is wasted.

 

I'm not concise enough...too wordy.

I need that math brain of yours.

BLUF - bottom line up front

 

People think I am mean because I am terse. You are the friendly guy.

 

If you have a job to do, determine, list, and be able to defend the requirements for that job. If the only folks who apply and meet those requirements are tall white men -- I won't criticize you for hiring them.

Disallowing a woman to even compete is admission that you are not basing your decision on ability. Hire your secretary, your gardener, even your CPA on whatever criteria you choose. It's your money and you live with the consequences of choosing from a smaller pool of excellence. But hire a soldier for any reason other than ability and you have possibly passed on the best person for the job. American soldiers defend this country, my country, in the most demanding arenas on earth -- in situations where failure has catastrophic, nationwide consequences. We can't afford to have less than the best.

Besides, for modern soldiers commitment, precision, and intelligence can be more important than brute strength -- but we still let men apply for the job.

 

It's not valid to compare a deployed infantryman to any existing job in the civilian realm

Even a police officer goes home when he or she is off-duty.

Deployed infantry soldiers or Marines often live in remote field posts, with no private
quarters. Nudity is a given...if you're shy the job is not for you.

You make some interesting points, however an infantryman isn't just a "job."

It is their life...24/7, while deployed.

There are no weekend, no holidays, no going home to a separate dwelling after
putting in 8 or 9 hours. They live together and work together.

Having them all be one gender just makes sense, mixing the genders just presents
it's own problems.

I was a citizen airman, and deployment in no way compares to anything I encountered
as private citizen...and this was on a fixed base with contingencies for gender separation.

 

Then make being "not shy" a criteria, not being "not male."

Integration has always had it's own problem; so has segregation.

 

because of course a black male soldier and a white male soldier sharing a barracks is
exactly the same as male and a female.

Of course...

silly me.

 

Do black men menstruate? Do they have different needs than a white man? Do white men and black men have sexual tension? I need to be sure of these things before I dismiss his statement.

 

Not at all. I'd say there's a least 60 years difference between the two.

 

For those of you who are somehow unaware of it, an intelligent conversation cannot be had with anyone who would claim authorship of this statement.

 

Welcome to infantry...serving in the field.

Better Homes & Gardens, it is not.



You still think males and females should share this living space for days,
weeks, even months at a time?

24/7

 

Of course. If a black man and a white man can live together in close quarters for months, so can a man and a woman.

 

How do you think the good old boys club will ever be dragged into this century? By inclusion of women. Don't worry. There will be incidents. But women will civilise them in the end as they do in all other walks of life and the mindset will change when it filters through that women are there as equals.

 

Oh put a feckin curtain up and grow up...

 

Men and women work in close quarters in many professions.

 

Is that a personal attack, or is there a point in your post?

 

Well?

Pictures speak louder than words

Still think it's a great a idea to mix up males and females
on some remote Marine outpost in Afghanistan?

Welcome home...

24 hours a day...7 days a week...
day after day..after week...after month.

 

Yeah you'll be first in line to enlist I'm sure...

as long as it ain't you right?

who cares, it's just like camping...

how about a Hello Kitty toilet seat cover to go along with the curtain...

After a fun day of swimming and hiking, they like to roast marshmallows and tell ghost stories
by the fire.

Did I forget to mention, those tight living quarters are in the middle of a war zone?

 

I am telling you, it is a lot different. I still take crap for being in my position from other people and women have been combat pilots since the early 90's. I do not have to live in the same tent, use the same shower, or urinate in the same facility as the men. It works. My sanitary needs are taken care of when they need to be and there are people I can go to if I feel I am being sexually harassed. Those tools are not available in the field. Even at a large base, you can be ostracized for complaining about a male counterpart if he acts inappropriately. Imagine how it will be on the small unit scale. It is easy to suck it up, deal with it, and continue strong when you can separate yourself from the perpetrator(s).

 

No kidding genius, so what does that have to do with the topic at hand? Are you going to attempt to compare a 9 to 5 job to a 24/7 close quarter combat role?

 

A big problem was the jealousy factor. If a soldier fancied a women, he would tend to keep his eye on her and not on his job. This could get you killed. And if more than one bloke fancied a particular woman, big trouble!

 

That picture you posted looks like any teenager's bedroom, which I can assure you friends both male and female happily sit in, play computers all day in and they sleep where they sit.

 

You know what that is?

The man's problem.

It's not a reason for stopping women from joining the forces any more than it is a reason for stopping women from wearing mini skirts in public. It's nothing to do with the women. Men are responsible for male issues and this is a male issue.

 

I didn't mention 9 to 5, so I'll not bother defending any point I haven't made, geniarse.