Scottish "nationalists" win parliamentary majority for "independence" referendum

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    Is that a promise?:)
     
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    You as usual are grasping at straws!

    Why not accept that if we have a common border it will now be as equals!

    Gone are the days the Scottish nation is to be used as fodder for English expansionist policies or AIPAC American policies!

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    Salmond said it, so no surprise that it is not true.

    No, the SNP are loyal only to their own sectarian clique of a political party. They are disloyal and unwelcoming to Scots who have opinions of their own.

    Oh, the SNP'll take all the votes of Scots they can get, but they want to impose their opinions on Scots, they don't want to hear the opinions of Scots, don't want others to hear other opinions.

    For example, the SNP had a conference in Aberdeen one year and I went along hoping to observe as a guest, to discuss politics on the fringe of the conference perhaps but after a short interview by the door staff and a pause while they consulted conference organisers I was told I was not to be allowed entry to the conference venue as a guest because "my reputation preceded me" though they did not elaborate.

    Not fazed and having come prepared for such an eventuality, I decided to try to leaflet people on their way into the conference. After 10 minutes or so leafleting outside the entrance, the police arrived and told me they had been asked to stop me leafleting and I was required to leave the vicinity altogether or be arrested.

    I chose to leave and so lived to tell the tale. If I had resisted arrest, I could have been tortured or killed by the police - "he resisted sarge".

    In other words, the SNP would rather I, a Scot, was arrested, tortured or killed, than I be allowed to meet SNP members, speak to them, communicate to them.

    This is why the SNP like the Queen and are loyal to her as head of state, because under the Queen, the kingdom, the union crown allows its police to be used to exterminate unwanted opinions.

    The Queen's kingdom is a royalist fascist police state which the SNP, like other political parties in Scotland, exploit to keep other Scots silent and subjugated.

    The SNP insist that we the Scots must be loyal to them. We can be seen but not heard and if on a rare occasion heard then arrested, tortured or killed.

    The SNP has all the loyalty to Scots as they have to meat in a butcher's shop. That is all the Scots are to the SNP - dead meat walking.


    "the Scottish constitution" - so-called - in reality before the union of the crowns was a royalist constitution, in theory a constitutional monarchy of sorts after the Declaration of Arbroath.

    After the union of the crowns and the English civil war and the restoration of the union monarchy, the constitution in operation in Scotland has been the sovereignty of the crown in the union parliament in Westminster.

    There has not been a distinctly separate "Scottish" constitution in operation though no doubt Scots have dreamed of such a thing.

    However never has the constitution operated by the state in Scotland been that of the "sovereignty of the people", therefore the anti-Scottish-people / Scottish-kingdom constitution has always treated Scots not like sovereign citizens in a democratic republic but as subjects of the crown to be disposed of as the crown sees fit.

    In this radio phone in programme Salmond responds to my question and his answer reveals that he does not even support sovereignty enough of a elected member of the Scottish parliament to have a right to speak in parliament.

    Salmond also thinks that the idea that a Scot should not be subjected to the arbitrary will of the authorities if a Scot defies authority as any sovereign is entitled to do is "daft".

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6TWkZn5sxM"]YouTube - ‪Scottish Elections - Royalist fascist Salmond‬‏[/ame]

    For Salmond, it is "daft" to even think that a Scot's freedom to speak or to protest ought to be respected by the state and he or she could avoid punishment for speaking out, protesting.

    The reality is, Salmond thinks the sovereignty of the people to be a "daft" idea and his preamble to his oath to the Queen is a lie to the Scots.

    "tradition" - Scottish traditions such as hogmanay parties, watching football or going to the bingo have nothing to do with the constitution or the sovereignty of the people. The Scots are allowed to keep those traditions because the Queen's judges and officers can still mistreat Scots anyway they like under a constitution from hell.

    The traditional abusive power of the legal profession's elite in Scotland and of the police in Scotland is the abusive tradition that the SNP defend.

    It is traditional for the Scottish police to torture Scots in the back of a police van.

    It is traditional for the Scottish courts to deny freedom of criticism of the elite in Scotland who can afford to take defamation actions.

    It is time to end the tradition of subjugation to the rotten elite that the SNP represent. It is time for Scottish republican revolution.
     
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    When was the last time someone was tortured or killed by way of the Scottish Police Force? If such is true, surely Her Majesty's Inspectors of Constabulary ought be informed...
     
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    The police have these vicious dual-purpose torture instruments as standard issue police equipment which they carry about with them.

    [​IMG]


    A quote from my web-page.
    Police sadistic torturers

    Having been arrested myself a few times for protesting, I can testify that some police officers are sadistic torturers who can hurt and injure people they have arrested simply because they enjoy it.

    For example, the police are issued with rigid handcuffs - a rigid bar (not a chain) connects the wrist braces and police officers can exert excruciating bruising force on the arrested person's wrists, and cut off the blood supply to the hands.


    When they brutally misused rigid handcuffs on me, I screamed in agony but the police officers just laughed.

    A lot of police officers really enjoy hurting people.

    This police brutality is unofficially state sanctioned - police officers can in practice torture with impunity, whatever the theory of the police complaints procedure. For example, in a police station, I've been tortured at the Sergeant's desk, while on the wall, a poster about the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights is displayed (but utterly ignored). The state is completely hypocritical.

    The dangers of police equipment, brutality and what to do

    The design of these rigid handcuffs invites, and makes it easy for, brutal or careless police officers to seriously damage the health of the handcuffed person.

    It is not just the traumatising agony but permanent damage may be done both by crushing injury to the wrist themselves, or by injury to the hands and to other parts of the body by blood clots which may form if the blood supply to the hands is impeded for any length of time.

    If blood clots lodge in the hands themselves then death of the tissues in the hands may occur leading to partial or total permanent loss of the use of your hands - permanent disability may result.
    Ultimately, as in deep vein thrombosis, if blood clots travel from the hands and then lodge in the brain, then a stroke involving permanent brain damage may occur.

    If the blood clots lodge in the blood vessels supplying the lungs then a pulmonary embolism may cause death by asphyxiation.

    Be under no illusion, if a police officer applies these handcuffs to you, too tightly and for too long, it is your life that the police are endangering.

    Disregard anything that the civil service or the government may say about "existing guidelines for the police are to ensure that handcuffs are not applied incorrectly and to respond promptly to the arrested persons requests to loosen handcuffs" etc.

    Forget such worthless reassurances, many police officers don't care in the least about you, your health or any guidelines and if they happen to kill you with handcuffs and they can get away with that then that is exactly what they will do.

    When you beg them to loosen the handcuffs, many police officers will simply take enjoyment from your suffering and then tighten the handcuffs even more. Some police officers are sadists who will use these handcuffs to torture their victims. I know - they have done that to me! Such sadists are not fit or proper people to be employed as police officers - nevertheless, for now, police officers is what they are.
    Obviously I have not been killed at the hands of the police but others have.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbKzP6xI6A"]YouTube - ‪Police are the murderers! DEMO Downing St, London.‬‏[/ame]



    Again from my web-page.
    These rigid handcuffs are a menace to human health and they should be banned immediately but don't hold your breath while waiting for that ban. So long as the same perverts - senior police officers, HM Inspectors of Constabulary, civil servants and government ministers - continue to run the police, expect nothing but cruelty and indifference to victims of handcuff torture and injury.
     
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    http://scot-land.blogspot.com/2010/11/spooks-murdered-top-scot.html

    Well if they are installed by Government.....who do you go too????

    Court cases held in Camera......50 years sentences!

    Thirty to fifty cases at a time!!!

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  8. Peter Dow

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    From that blog you quoted from.
    SPOOKS MURDERED TOP SCOT?
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    Former Scottish National Party vice-chairman Willie McRae


    which in turn links to this newspaper story -
    The McRae Mystery.
    The Daily Record.
    Oct 19 2007 By Reg Mckay

    JUST another car crash off a hazardous country road? No. The most intriguing, unsolved murder of the last 25 years. Willie McRae was a larger-than-life character.

    A prominent Scottish lawyer, he'd fought and won many cases opposing the government. As an SNP activist, he'd held national office and come close to becoming an MP.

    Yet McRae also revelled in his radical anti-nuclear stance - a dangerous position in the 1980s.

    On Friday, April 5, 1985, he left his Glasgow office to head north to his weekend home in Kintail.

    Laden with his usual bulging briefcase and armfuls of legal document a big grin splitting his face, he turned to his office sta ("staff"? - PD) and said: "I've got them! without further explanation.

    They were to be the last words he was known to have ' spoken.

    Around 10am the following day, an Australian tourist and his wife pulled their car in at an isolated spot on the A87.

    A maroon Volvo lay 30 or so yards off the road, straddling a burn, and the couple wanted to check no one was hurt. hT ("They / he"? - PD) found a man slumped in the driver's seat, unconscious, hi ("his"? - PD) head smeared with blood.

    The next car to arrive was driven by Dr Dorothy Messer, accompanied by her fiancé David Coutts, a Dundee SNP councillor who was shocked to the injured man as Willie McRae.

    Dr Messer immediately examined McRae and found he was alive, though dilated pupils indicated serious brain damage.

    The police were alerted by another motorist. PC Kenny Crawford arrived from Inverness on his own.

    The cops had been told that a prominent Scottish politician, activist and lawyer was lying injured in an isolated spot. What did they do? Send one lonesome PC.

    PC Crawford did his best. He and David Coutts struggled to get McRae's limp body out of the car.

    With the limited facilities available to her, Dr Messer had concluded that McRae had been hurt in a road accident. The good doctor had done her best. There was nothing to contradict that view -yet.

    Willie McRae was taken to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, and then on to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, the standard procedure for I brain damage treatment.

    There, six hours after his discovery, a nurse washed the patient's head and found a bullet hole. An X-ray confirmed McRae had been shot above his right ear. The hitman's bull's eye.

    Willie McRae died at 3am on April 7, 1985, at least 36 hours after being injured. Already folk were questioning how the whole affair had been handled.

    Realising there had been a ****-up, Chief Superintendent Andrew Lester, of Northern CID, took over the case immediately.

    Yet McRae's car was promptly removed from the site of what was now a suspicious death. Normally the scene would have been cordoned off and the car kept there while forensics, photographers and scenes of crime officers completed their work.

    It was later revealed police couldn't remember where Willie McRae had been found. They were a mile out until their mistake was pointed out by one of the civilians who had been at the scene. The tragic comedy of errors continued.

    When McRae's body was found, PC Crawford had collected a small pyramid of the dead man's personal papers all carefully torn up, topped with his smashed wrist-watch and found 20 yards from his car.

    Who had put them so neatly there? Who knows? Too many people had trampled over the ground, ruining any clues. A search the next day revealed a Smith & Wesson .45 in the stream 60ft from the car. The gun had been fired twice and had no fingerprints.

    Twice? Who could shoot themselves twice in the head?

    McRae wasn't wearing gloves when found. So who wiped the gun of prints?

    Sixty feet? Who could throw the hefty gun that distance when they'd just put a bullet in their own brain?

    Yet a post mortem would leave an open verdict, suggesting suicide. When challenged, the police suggested the heavy gun had been carried downstream by the water of the wee burn. That theory was soon dismissed.

    While they were trying to remove McRae from his car, PC Crawford's cap fell off and David Coutts had bent to retrieve it, getting a clear view of the stream beside and under the car. There was no sign of any gun.

    It also emerged the pathologist had failed to carry out a basic test on the wound to determine the range the gun was fired from,
    A fundamental test, since suicides always press the gun hard into their skull to be sure, A hitman, on the other hand, might fire from inches or feet away. The closer you get the messier you get and mess is evidence that's difficult to conceal.

    McRAE had left for Kintail laden with documents, a bottle of whisky and a pack of cigarettes to feed his chain-smoking habit. None were found in his belongings.

    At the time of his death, McRae had been working on yet another sensitive case. Having previously legally prevented the UK Atomic Energy Authority in 1980 from dumping nuclear waste in the Ayrshire hills, he intended to have a similar impact on plans to dump waste from Dounreay in the sea.

    McRae had hinted to colleagues that he had been passed classified government documents - not for the first time - and colleagues knew he was carrying highly sensitive papers on this case.

    Friends believe it was the Dounreay inquiry he was referring to when, as he left the office, he said: "I've got them!"

    Yet no papers of his relating to Dounreay have ever been located. Over months before his death, Willie McRae's house was repeatedly burgled, his legal papers disrupted and destroyed. He became cautious, security conscious and had a copy of the Dounreay papers with him at all times, as he did on the day he died. But they were never found.

    The only other copy of the Dounreay papers were kept in his office. Who'd break into a big lawyer's office? But they were stolen when it was burgled. Nothing else was taken.

    People began to look for a wider explanation of McRae's death. They didn't have to look too far back.

    The year before McRae died, a gentle woman called Hilda Murrell was found murdered in her cottage in rural Shrewsbury. Hilda was a rose grower, a pacifist -who could want to kill her? A robber?

    Yes. But the only thing stolen from her home were some papers to do with her other passion - anti-nuclear protesting. Later, it was leaked to the press that Hilda's nephew was a naval intelligence officer involved in the sinking of the Belgrano during the Falklands War, then a great controversy since the ship had been heading away from battle when deliberately sunk.

    But no papers of his were taken - just Hilda's anti-nuclear evidence. It was yet another smoke screen. The question was why?

    Retired police officers have revealed that because of his legal and political work, McRae was on the files of MI5.

    One of the cars used to trail him was a Triumph, registration number PSJ 136X. Wherever McRae went, that car followed.

    He had noticed the motor. Willie McRae was nobody's fool. When he raised the matter with a friendly cop, he checked the computer. The car came up marked as "blocked vehicle". That's shorthand for belonging to the Special Branch or I ("MI5"? - PD)

    Yet no inquiry was held into the death of Willie McRae. Instead, there was a whispering campaign suggesting that McRae was everything from an alcoholic, to a homosexual, to a man in deep financial trouble.

    Good enough reasons why he might be troubled, why he might have killed himself, but absolutely without any substance.

    No one has ever seen the post mortem report. The procurator fiscal in Inverness has refused to comment on the case, citing the Official Secrets Act.

    When Madame Ecosse, Winnie Ewing, carried out an investigation for the SNP she was bluntly denied access to the Crown Office papers in spite of giving the customary legal guarantee of confidentiality.

    Every independent person who has examined the case of Willie McRae concludes it wasn't suicide. If not suicide then what?

    Murder? But by whom and in whose name?

    'Willie McRae was nobody's fool...he knew he was being followed by shadowy figures'
    The SNP Mystery

    Who do you go to Highlander?

    Don't you go to the SNP and ask them why they are still supporting the Queen in light of the McRae mystery which happened under the Queen's watch, while she was head of state?

    The Queen's "Her Majesty's Government" perhaps or other crown officers on their own initiative perhaps ordered McRae's murder and it reads like HMGs ever since are covering up what they know so why is the SNP still backing the Queen in light of her handling of the McRae case?

    Why are the SNP mostly still going to turn up to sit in front of the Queen like good wee corgis when she addresses parliament on 1st July?

    In case she has them shot in the head for not turning up? :twisted:

    Or more likely, because the SNP just loved the royal wedding and just can't wait until the next royal propaganda broadcast and have forgotten who Willie McRae is?

    The bigger mystery is for all that the Queen has failed Scots over the years still the SNP lap up Salmond's nonsense about "constitutional monarchy" and how that "serves us well". No it doesn't! The "constitutional monarchy" gave us the McRae mystery, the Dunblane Primary school massacre, the Piper Alpha disaster, the Ibrox disaster, need I go on?
     
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    What are you talking about? There was nothing about that in the link you gave.
     
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    No link to those arrested and put on trial from various areas of Scotland, the only thing reported at the time was that the cases were held in camera and that there were at least two cases more than thirty at a time and sentenced to between thirty and fifty years.

    You will not get a link!

    As for the SNP......give them a chance.....Allow the democratic processes and the people of Scotland to move forward, and allow them to take us forward at the appropriate time!
    The time of the Scottish nation decides......not you or me....but everybody!

    That time will come of that I'm sure!

    Take the blinkers off...as it will be with our nation at the correct time!!

    Regards
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtYFYWFENQ]Devo-Max No to separation. Scottish referendum rigged (YouTube)[/ame]
    :mrgreen:

    Satirical take on the desperate efforts of United Kingdom supporters proposing an devolution-maximum or devolution-plus alternative to the SNP's preferred option for a Scottish parliament approved referendum of the people of Scotland in support of an independent Queen's state of Scotland.

    Either way the referendum will be rigged to keep the Queen and deny real Scottish national independence.
     
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    That would be amusing and not an unattractive idea....

    Although its not really needed as the majority of Scots would vote for the Status Quo.

    I would like a refurendum on getting rid of the Holly-rude Parliment - its a waste of money, it is filled with 3rd rate politicians and is a disgusting hang-over from the last Socialist Government that balls-ed up the Country.
     
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    You have the greatest difficulty in finding any harmony in your life!

    Salmon has taken the Scottish nation down a road of there choosing and all can see the benefit to the nation. An alternative to out and out racism against the Scottish nation for hundreds of years!

    And you haven't the humanity to understand change take courage and steps its far easier to denegrate any argument with bad mouthing an idividual!

    Open your eyes and heart to the benefit made to the Scottish nation by taking these few steps! Perhaps we will get independence a democratically elected government and come to fruition by those giving an alternative to the bigotry of those like your good self!

    Regards
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    you're very naive peter, its one step at a time, political independence is a lot easier to achieve first, then after that we can decide on things like the royal family, eu, single currency etc at our leisure, its much easier to sell just leaving the union than leaving union and ditching the royals at the same time, dont be so naive, and vote yes when the time comes.
     
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    Thanks for reviving this thread. I noticed that my video is not embedding properly so I'll redo that now.

    [video=youtube;TEtYFYWFENQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtYFYWFENQ[/video]
     
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    devo max would kill indepdendence forever you do understand that peter right ? whether you like the snp's form of independence or not you have to support it, it can be reformed after but its the only chance we've been offered in over 300 years and it could be another 300 before we get another. if you vote no you should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    So your saying a reprobate a manic depressive and a sodomite like your Churchill is a better politician?

    Get real!

    We have no need to reach into the gutter like those you seem to hold so dear!

    We can reach for something a lot better!

    Highlander
     
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    More videos that were embedded in this thread but something went wrong so here they are again.

    [video=youtube;P5aawSdrCMk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5aawSdrCMk[/video]

    [video=youtube;Bvl_IHuRdXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvl_IHuRdXA[/video]


    [video=youtube;789SkK7uwiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789SkK7uwiY[/video]


    [video=youtube;v6TWkZn5sxM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6TWkZn5sxM[/video]


    [video=youtube;rUbKzP6xI6A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbKzP6xI6A[/video]
     
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    Peter, you're a cynical sod.

    Would your time not be better suited to highlight the obvious facts available? A democratic step in a direction any direction is better than the status quo!

    You never know, might get your way ... one day.... but not at present, that wouldn't be democratic nor what the majority of Scots want!

    ie the new Chief Constable of Scotland Steven House and his supposed "super injunctions" he's taken out against national papers?

    Is he a fit and proper person as the policing representative of Scotland????

    More of this another time.....!

    Or all those officers sent up from the MET for top posts within Scotland no need to bring the corrupt methods up to Scotland, ie Jean Charles De Menzes and the police murder of the man! One example!

    Or the QC MacBride who suddenly died!

    Who had been told before he left not to leave the country for his own safety!

    MacRae.....!

    I might be cynical... but at least I'm constructive!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    No "cynical" is putting on a kilt and imposing yourself as the next King of Scotland and having your politician lackeys call that "independence" when it is no such thing.

    [​IMG]
    Sir Jimmy Savile OBE & Prince Charles, the Duke of Rothesay and, according to Alex Samond and the SNP, the next King of Scotland.


    An independent nation elects its own head of state and has freedom from courts imposing super-injunctions and defamation laws restricting freedom to publish.

    Scotland was not a free country when Prince Charles's mother's courts prevented us from knowing about the activities of Prince Charles's pal Jimmy Savile and Scotland will not be a free country after Salmond wins his rigged referendum which is designed above all fraudulently to re-define the word "independence" to mean "a Windsor-ruled kingdom".

    By the way, I don't support "Devo-Max" and anyone who thinks I do is not paying attention. I am opposed to the United Kingdom under all circumstances - Devo-none, Devo-mini or Devo-Max. No kingdom, ever.

    I am for a Scottish Republic and I want it starting today with the Queen and entire family being banned from Scotland.

    Salmond and the SNP refuse to ban the Windsors from Scotland to assert our independence so if anyone is against Scottish national independence it is Salmond and the SNP.
     
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    Firstly, like his predecessors, he this usurper cannot call himself king of Scots, that would be illegal, thats why you must call yourself British! Sorry no insult intended.

    I to am against devo max for the same reasons apart from we have neighbours and we as the "superior bunch" should treat with the respect they are entitled, as you or mel!

    You mistake the democratic process with dictatorship, Salmon is no dictator as he has shown.

    I totally disagree with being part of NATO but I tohave to go with the democratic wishes of HIS ELECTED PARTY!

    Until this changes or another party is prepared to have this on their manifesto or agenda, we are part of NATO!


    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    So to sum the SNP position up as I understand it.

    The SNP for Salmond for Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay, next King of Scotland for Sir Jimmy Savile OBE for child abuse for gagging orders and super-injunctions for secrecy for harming the Scots without anyone being any the wiser for telling the biggest lie in history to us Scots when we are told that "the SNP support the Scots" when in fact the SNP are the Scots' biggest enemies.
     
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    Peter Dow you are a hero. Regardless of whether he exists or not, God's gonna reward you some day. You just made me wake up to a new side of reality more than a Scottish friend of mine and some former Irish co-workers did. I actually was wrong to think earlier that kingdom formula there is practical or even healthy for the human beings inhabiting those islands. This formula continues to fuel that sick imperialism centered in London. I have spent some time in this Kingdom and have also visited Scotland. Now I just ask myself, especially after watching the video about the police: What the HELL was I thinking?? How can London be a democratic center of power of any kind when I myself have witnessed first hand how creepy the police are there... ... These guys, just because you are on their territory behave like they own you, like you are their property, like you are some sort of animal and they are the farmers. When I got there I couldn't believe I was in Western-Europe. I kept saying to myself I must have boarded the wrong plane. It didn't remotely look like on TV there. I've been there as a legitimate EU citizen with genuine academic purposes, with a clean record and under the protection of my embassy and stuff... If they had the attitude they had towards me given I was a foreign citizen, I can only imagine how they (*)(*)(*)(*) in the head of the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish...

    Earlier I said what I said having the current economic situation in mind, thinking that independence of this kind would increase the costs of administering the same amount of people but hell, NO! (*)(*)(*)(*)ing rotten 21st century imperialism means, today even more than in the past (due to technology) always and always a one way profit. In all games and collaborations London ever got into, it eventually made a winner only of itself. Lol I was so wrong... Competitiveness between these two innovative nations, the English and the Scots could boost the economy in Europe. The English too are being so restricted and guided through very narrow specific political passageways / being got drunk on an excessively high dose of national pride and ideas of a holy crown / queen to fight for - a citizen has to be like a crusader there - a less extreme version of the pre-1945 Japanese imperialism with masses of kamikaze 'emperor defenders' manipulated into attacking as one individual, with a common brain! That's what I felt around me as an outsider while studying there. If the English knew who is ruling them and how the royal pretext is used and abused elections for a president would start within hours.

    Yes there are more urgent things to be clarified first before we think of the new European system the EU is proposing: local democracy has to exist first and everyone's ability to decide on their own what they prefer to do next. Local ability to breathe on your own. To me Scotland suddenly looks as an outstanding case, by current European standards... It is an unusually big nation to be incorporated into another one. Where else in Europe do you have a population this big being represented and decided for by another one? Is there another? I'm not sure but I'm really curious.
     
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    This video is old but interesting and so is this thread.

    [video=youtube;WIrsOzz_PlU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=WIrsOzz_PlU[/video]

    Kenny Macaskill says the British state is an artificial entity. He explains why Scotland would do much better as a separate country.
     
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    There nothing "right" in your quote.

    "Devo Max" is a lie. It's not on offer. It is a pig in a poke. It's a fantasy wish-list that will never happen.

    You seem to misunderstand that I am 100% opposed to stupid liars, such as Lesley Riddoch who wave the "Devo Max" non-option at the Scots as if there was any way to deliver it, even if we voted for it.

    You seem to misunderstand that my DevoMax video - here it is again - is satire, mocking the whole notion of "Devo Max"

    [video=youtube;TEtYFYWFENQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtYFYWFENQ[/video]

    I didn't immediately reply to your post because if someone doesn't understand satire at first glance he or she will never understand it if it is explained to them. So please simply note that my Devo Max video is "over your head".

    So Devo Max will never kill anything forever, for the same reason that invading Martians will never kill anything forever. There will never be Devo Max and there will never be invading Martians. Yes people can talk about Devo Max, yes people can talk about, write stories, produce films about invading Martians but it doesn't make either of these ideas a reality, now or in the future.

    If the Scots vote "No" to "Should Scotland be an independent country?" - the UK will be less inclined to give more powers to Scots, more inclined to take our loyalty for granted, treat us like a tartan doormat and walk all over us, cut the block grant to the Scottish parliament etc.

    So the "Devo Max" option is a disgusting fraud put about by the likes of Riddoch, with fools like her for her friends, the Scots don't need any enemies.

    But the lies told about "Devo Max" can do a lot of harm but you end the harm that lies do when you explain and expose the lie.


    No I don't.

    The SNP could reform their form of independence today. They could support a Scottish republic and call on the officers of the Scottish state to ban the Queen and royal family from Scotland. starting today. We could have independence, from today. All it takes is political will.

    Rubbish. The Scots have a chance every day to throw off the UK and the union crown.

    If the referendum goes ahead as planned I intend to vote, and ask others to vote

    YES. SCOTLAND SHOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

    But even if we get a "Yes" vote that won't make Scots an independent nation. An independent country could enslave the Scots unless the Scots gain democratic control over our own country, by electing a Scottish president as head of state of a Scottish republic.
     

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