Scottish "nationalists" win parliamentary majority for "independence" referendum

I am not a German lady

I don't call myself Queen of anywhere.

Oh Ignore Vlad. he spent a year in the Uk and hates us and constantly lies about us. My guess is that some Girl dumped him

 

What is it telling of, out of interest? I can certainly see that it is simple.and, imo, eminently sensible. There are much more important things to be thinking about in the run-up to 2014 than whether Scotland will be a republic or a monarchy.....time enough to decide about that when we actually have an independent Scottish Government and can have referenda without Westminster's permission.

 

Scotland will probably not vote for independence yet - but the UK is clearly finished - Thatcher did for it, and the present gang of flabby classwarriors are destroying even the memory of decency in England, so that their crummy state is certainly finished. ' For forms of government let fools contest'. I'd go for a civil service king, prince, duke or whatever myself, to avoid crooked politicians.

 

Alex Salmond isn't just any man though, is he?

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That Salmond thinks his support for the Queen as Scotland's head of state is a vote winner. You can have your referendum on leaving the UK whenever you wish. It isn't Westminster that has delayed it.

 

Nah..shouldn't think he does...there is no one thing which would be a vote winner.(except just maybe getting rid of Trident......or the UK joining another war on behalf of the USA.). Salmond knows fine that most of us don't really give a toss either way re a head of state at this moment in time.....but more of those who do would prefer the queen to a republic with the likes of him as head of state.

Westminster could have had this referendum at any stage within the 2007-2011 minority SNP government period.....but the Unionist Party opposition in Holyrood (the Scottish bumboys of the UK) decided they would vote it down..so the SNP were not stupid enough to put it to a vote at all. Whether that was because the Unionist parties had a rush to the head of getting together as a majority to do the SNP down and being able to preen, so took a unilateral "we want to be fish in a bigger pond" stance....or whether they were working under instructions from their Westminster heid bummers, your guess is as good as mine....but technically Westminster has delayed it... by between four and seven years.

Have to admit, I'm kinda glad they did, because the worsening UK situation since 2007, resulting in cuts to Scotland since, can only help, with the actions of the Coalition since 2010 being the icing on the cake.

How difficult is it for people outside Scotland (and many inside Scotland) to get their heads round the definite fact, that, while we might vote for independence in 2014, we won't BE independent until the first elections in 2016. It is going to take that long to undertake negotiations and prepare, given Westminster, the EU et al don't do "let's prepare plans,just in case"..or are you all daft enough to think we vote on 18th September 2014 and will be an independent country up and running on September 19th 2014 with no idea of our debt, our share of UK assets ( or reduction of our share of the debt in lieu of claiming all of our physical share of assets) etc, in or out of the EU/NATO etc? All Salmond is doing....and all the SNP can do......is give us their vision of an Independent Scotland...which is only one of many..if you cared to check out other sites and not just rely on the BBC and the newspapers, which are so biased for the Union as to resemble the American media re Israel.

Salmond is only so high profile because the Unionists and the Unionist media hate the SNP with a passion bordering on obsession...so they think that promoting him to head of everything and insinuating he is a dictator now and a prospective dictator for as long as he lives, because he scares them, they will scare us and so they are using him like a bogeyman. Big fail there.....if we don't vote for Independence it won't be because of Salmond...it will be because 305 years of English rule has removed our self-confidence because of the way we have always been perceived..even by some Scots. If England was the husband, Scotland the wife and the remarks re Scotland over the last 300+ years were considered in today's mindset....we could have cited mental and verbal abuse in a divorce application. Unfortunately countries don't do things so simply.

The SNP is, of course in charge.......but only in charge of the Government currently and negotiations hopefully, because frankly, the SNP is the only act in town re negotiations...just as they have been the only act in town for years re working only for Scotland's interests. Come 2016......it may be all change.......or not..but that will be our choice...not England's.

 

And before you get into the "Union which we accepted" crap (on the lines of a hundred or so accepting a deal when monetary guns were pointed at heads.....or maybe more appropriately in today's mindset accepted a deal because it would profit those who believed they were important and sod those who don't count...on the bailing out banks line). Imo England is ten times bigger than the rest of the UK so must have more say is simply colonialism by numbers and not by force (never quite managed it by force re Scotland, did they?) A Federal system may have worked, with a federal system which removed the Westminster voting supremacy.re external/joint affairs and left internal policies to the individual countries........the current colonial set-up doesn't.....which is why we are where we are. And it is down to the attitude of the Union....not the Scots.

 

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Glad you recognised that, he is a Scotsman .... too!

No delay, exzactly as planned regardless what you might of wanted, all the time in the world to confer with all interested parties and come to a consensus!

Something totally alien in your dictatorship!

But have a nice day, and you can carry on supporting the cancer and associated reprobates.

Regards
Highlander

 

Aah ... but thats your propagative, you call yourself what your happy with regardless of the colours you have previously nailed to your mast.

I am Scots! Thats all I need say!

Regards
Highlander

 

propagative? Something to do with arable farming?

 

Always thought that carping about spelling, grammar etc on forum posts are the mark of someone with nothing to say on the post subject......but with an irresistible compulsion to say something/anything however pointless. The post context makes the word perfectly understandable.if you are UK educated with even a slight level of intelligence and capable of understanding the concept of context,so I assume you have nothing to say on the post subject.....or in response to highlander's post..

I tend not to do holier than thou re spelling/grammar etc...because I have a grandchild with dyslexia. I could, however, point out that your use of punctuation is generally crap....and your use of capital letters are generally inappropriate for someone who considers him/herself so good at writing English as to comment on the English usage of others....and that is only from reading the last couple of pages of this thread.

 

I have made no comments complaining about anyone's spelling

However I do make complaints about his foul anti English racism.

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Waving a Palestinian flag about is also pretty puerile for a supposed Scot.

 

But you did......sneering at his use of propagative.when it is obvious to even the meanest intelligence he should have used prerogative, given the context of the post. And you try hard to give the impression your intelligence is much greater than the meanest....so it was a deliberate snide remark, because you had nothing cogent to impart but felt impelled to say something.however pointless.

He isn't as anti-English as some English people on this forum are anti-Scots (want a list of foul anti-Scottish racist posts by English people on here....I can do you an extensive list) .....and on this thread, he comes across more as anti-monarchy and if you want to be really picky also anti-German..can't say I noticed what I would describe as anti-English racism....but I am sure you will tell me.

Re my avatar......the comment about which continues to illustrate that you have nothing cogent to say on this thread.but just like to stick your oar in, even if to no purpose. What does my avatar have to do with anything? I adopted it as an expression of empathy with the people of Occupied Palestine Territories and their struggle with Israel before the last UN vote...and it will be my avatar until Israel gets real and Palestine gets Independence. My previous one had, if I remember rightly, a smiley holding a sign which said "War is not the Answer" and the current Palestinian flag one has never seemed to me to be any less appropriate.

I really resent the supposed Scot remark.....why do you assume that sporting a Palestinian flag would, of itself, make me other than the person I have never tried to hide on the internet? Would that be because you can't, being English, conceive of anyone giving a toss about anybody but yourselves?

 

Being English means you are selfish huh - exposed your true colours- You are just like Highlander then.A petty nationalist.

Frankly I'm with the Majority of Englishmen who actually wants Scottish Independence. Unfortunately not enough Scots do.

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Being English means you are selfish huh - exposed your true colours- You are just like Highlander then.A petty nationalist.

Frankly I'm with the Majority of Englishmen who actually wants Scottish Independence. Unfortunately not enough Scots do.

 

Why get your head around a SNP royalist lie, however hard that is to do? "We", the people, will not be independent unless and until we run the state by electing its head, a president of a republic. So "we" won't be independent after elections in 2016 if the Queen's ministers and judges are still in charge.

On the other hand, we could be independent this week if the SNP government in parliament ban the Queen and royal family from Scotland and call on the Scottish military to enforce the ban by all means necessary.

Independence should be taken now and we should not kid ourselves on that the same choice Queen or independence? will be a different choice in 2016. Well if the Queen snuffs it the choice may be King or independence?

If the state is in charge of the people, the state is independent, the people are enslaved.

Only if the people are in charge of the state, can we the people be independent.

It is curious that SNP royalists are so quick to see the UK state as an oppressor state denying Scots our national independence when most of the oppressive arms of the kingdom - the police, courts, prisons and psychiatric hospitals are run by Scots under the government of mostly Scottish Queen's ministers and judges who are the ones with independence now and will keep it so long as they have the Queen blocking the position of head of state and preventing a president calling in the army to arrest the judges and police for their abuse of power.

Like as if "we" the Scottish people will be any less subjugated, terrorised or enslaved by the kingdom because it does a name-change makeover and calls itself a nominally a "Scottish" kingdom rather than part of a UK "British" kingdom.

It's not "English" rule. It's royalist rule by mostly royalist Scots. True it is rule by treacherous Scots, like Salmond, who owe his position to his loyalty to the Queen.

Supporting the monarchy and kingdom is self-abuse. True, Scots are brainwashed by the media to support the Queen but it is possible to think outside of the box. It is possible to stop abusing yourself.

No, the SNP work for the Queen's interests, not the Scots interests.



Blair Jenkins, getting his O.B.E., Order of the British Empire, from Prince Charles - "Yes for Monarchy, Yes for Inequality" - At last, the truth from this lying royalist (*)(*)(*)(*)e-bag.

The guy Blair Jenkins, is currently the chief executive of "YES Scotland" and likes to present himself as for "an equal Scotland".

Yet the truth about the man is that he was presented with a royalist award an "Order of the British Empire" by Prince Charles.

So the man is for monarchy and inequality, not equality.



Blair Jenkins OBE:

• is Scottish public enemy No. 1 for opposing an equal society on TV

• is precisely the royalist responsible for promoting the monarchy & inequality in Scotland

• has spent his media career promoting royalty to the Scots on TV

 

I'd have to agree that that is a shameful display of anti-English bigotry by Oddquine.

Hey Oddquine, stop making yourself look like a bigot and dragging the good name of Scots through the dirt!

Quit blaming all the English for Scotland's problems. Blame English royalists, that's fair enough, but you need to tack on Scottish royalists and blame them too to be fair and realise it's supporting the medieval kingdom which has held Scottish and English back equally.

 

My friend, read oddquine's response in full, and you find it actually clear and to the point.

Certainly not anti english but perhaps ridiculing that fool, the little englishman.
But it was him that makes a fool of himself by his closed position and naivety!!
I won't mention his bad manners!

Regards
Highlander

 

The statement I quoted stands on its own as clear evidence of anti-English bigotry.

Certainly is.

No, such bigotry makes the author look ridiculous and the fool.

Using the phrase "little englishman" is also bigoted. It sounds as fair as when the Nazis said "dirty Jew". Such bigoted language is very bad for good relations between Scots and English and you ought not to use it.

Well then debate what you perceive to be closed position without stooping to bigoted comments. Answer as you would if you were replying to a person whom you had no idea what nationality they were.

I'm all for robust debate but you don't even convince neutral observers with bigoted language, never mind the person you are debating.

 

You my friend lighten up, it's a conversation, and opinions!

And I still think oddquine was very objective in her submission and very much to the point!

But have it your own way.

I to have core beliefs, but everyone has the right to be open and transparent, to discuss subjects, and come to a democratic solution.

You don't get everything you want when you allow others their equal rights.

Oddquine is allowed to answer bad manners or to enlighten those less well educated in a manner best suited for that type conceited individual!

Thats not anti, anything, just poetic justice!

And let me tell you, very effectively and poetry to my eyes!

Regards
Highlander

 

Highlander is nothging more than a bigoted (*)(*)(*)(*) throwing idiotic insults in lieu of any reasoned arguments -because he has none.

Peter. I hope Scotland does get independence but I hope that bigots like Highlander and Quine and kicked into the long grass because I want England and Scotland to be good neighbours like Norway and Sweden.

Wteher Scotland becomes a republic is Scotland's decision alone,

 

Mmmm ...... wteher? I need say no more!

Sorry my friend, I will always stand up for individual rights, yours and mine, unlike you and your parochial little englander outlook!

If we are to be good neighbours, it will be on an equal and equality basis, of that being the sole consideration I would be more than happy!

But as we "Scotland" never vote tory, Because of the humanity shown by Scots to fellow Scots, l think your equality might still be one sided and something not wanted north of the border!

If thats your version of bigotry, then I and I speak for myself only welcome you calling me a bigot!



Regards
Highlander

 

You Scots never vote Tory ? I suppose thats why you have 15 Conservative MSPs. I suppose you are going to insist that they are all imposed by the British state.

You aren't my friend. You are a fool.

 

I'm not actually..but a snide remark deserves a snide response. And Waving a Palestinian flag about is also pretty puerile for a supposed Scot.. was a pointless snide remark.

Admittedly I should not have said being English in the way I put it....it was much too general, but I was irritated. On reflection, I should have said "Does being English mean you can't conceive of anyone giving a toss about anybody but yourself? Then you could have come back and said "It has nothing to do with being English......it is just the way I think!" .

 

Aye ..... just shows how little you know.

We have one! The rest are on the top up system, not first past the post, or we would be nearly tory free!


Aaaah but again, who made us use this political system?
They thought they could still hold onto power through the labour party!

But we all saw through them as well!

I rest my case, little Englander man!

Regards
Highlander

 

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