Should "In God We Trust" Be Taken Off Of US Currency? What Would Follow?

Or we could translate it into English, to make it more relevant to a modern audience. "Out of Many, One."

 

Part of Obamas plans for CHANGE of America.

Remove all and anything with God indicated on it.....What does that really tell you.?

The modern Liberal Democratic way is a Socialitic Ruling Concept that wants to take away all and anything formed by our fore-fathers that founded our nation.....Our US Constitution is in danger.

This UN_PATRIOTIC CRAP must be removed from our Goverment. ​

 

In God We Trust was never "formed by our founding fathers", it was minted on coins by the decision of a political appointee in the 1860s, and established as the national motto by Congress in the 1950s. Our Founding Fathers had "E Pluribus Unum" as the national motto. So no, we're not trying to destroy what they created, we're trying to restore what conservatives have destroyed!​

 

If that is the crap you are brainwashed in believing...thats your ignorance.

All I KNOW IS BY WHAT I ACTUALLY SEE nd been told by those that have actually seen.

Obama has had the American Flags removed from all the rooms around the White House. Those flags were there for years past through every Presidents term.....I have seen the photos before and after.
Just a small thought for you. ​

 

Why do you lie so much?

 

In the 1860's Americans used the name of God to justify slavery, an economic institution, which helped make the nation wealthy. They also used God to subjugate women and take their property, another economic growth. The nation was formed so that the founders could have a relationship with God, however, a relationship of their choice. Not the King or Queen's choice. God is religion, regardless of what name you place with it. I think that printing God on the currency would have been a welcomed idea in 1860. God and the nation are symbiotic, and integral to each other. You would think that money is God in America with the way some people covet it, including the founders. Braking away from England gave them access to controlled wealth, religion, and power.

If America said, "ok, let's get rid of currency and start using sea shells to trade for goods.". In this generation it would cause a collapse in morals, economic growth, and the country would stop moving forward, intellectually. Money, with the pictures and words as we know it, is necessary in order to survive.

Congress made a profound declaration.

However, the government, which is the people and the owners of the constitution, agreed to the currency. The agreement is still in affect. The currency is representative of the collective culture.

 

Just where is the motto of "in 'god' we trust' on this 1836 50 cent piece?????

 

Yeah, let's dumb it down even more. Latin's fine.

 

Let's put into put it into slang:

"Outta Everybody, One Peoples"

 

Yes, 'cause we don't.

It should be "In Tax Cuts and Deregulation We Trust". These are the new deities.

 

And which words would those be?

 

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On the $1 bill. (back). Above the eye. Latin - "Annuit Coeptis" = Providence Has Favored Our Undertaking"

Providence - prov·i·dence/ˈprävədəns/Noun
1. The protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.
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"The reverse side of the $1 note that held the most meaning. Our founding fathers were deeply aware of the importance of symbols. In fact, before the adjournment of the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, a committee was appointed to create a seal that would symbolize America's ideas. The committee included John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, 3 draftees of the Declaration of Independence."

Thomas Jefferson originally wanted an Egyptian Pharoh riding a chariot. The words he wanted printed on the note would have stated, "Rebellion to Tyrants' Is Obedience To God.". Ben Franklin recommended the Turkey since it was representative of the Native Americans.
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Notice the Wittness to the Constitution includes "the year of our Lord..."

"Article. VII.

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

Attest William Jackson
Secretary

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,...."

 

George Washington (1732 - 1799), the "father of his country" apparently concurred with Madison's reasoning. He was President of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 (May 25 - Sept 17, 1787) and chaired its meetings. He apparently never protested the lack of the word, "God" in the US Constitution or the lack of public prayers at its sessions. He referred rarely to "God" or "Jesus" in his writings but preferred the word, "Providence."

Yet, Washington was a deist who was very religious. Washington's Farewell Addressee to the people of the United States said in 1796. "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports... Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure. reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

Alexander Hamilton, who was Washington Secretary of the US Treasury and his military aid during the American Revolution, wrote much of this speech. Hamilton was also a Christian deist.

Washington believed strongly in the separation of church and state. In an address to the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, he said: "It is now no more that tolerance is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgenced of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens. . ."

Both Washington and Madison apparently had concurred with the original national motto, "E Pluribus Unum," selected by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams. Adams, Jefferson and Franklin were deists. "E Pluribus Unum," was a quote from Saint Augustine's "Confessions," Book Four.

 

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..... "John Jay, one of the framers of the Constitution, was appointed by George Washington in 1789 to be the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (and later served two terms as governor of New York). He wrote, in a private letter (1797) to clergyman Jedidiah Morse:
Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians...not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

I include these clips to say that the Constitution does not instruct citizens to follow any one religion or God. However, who they're words and character speak volumes as to what was guiding their personsl existancr.

They did not recommend that the Government lead the nation with decisions based on religious principles. But, secular or without prejudice. However, the society knew what governed their personal moral principles. The founders were known as religious men. Their beliefs did spill over into other sectors of the nation. One example is the currency. God was used later on currency and during the Civil War.

The name of God was printed and used on currency to bring the country together. It was after colonies started to seccede from the Union.

Again, I ask the readers. What would happen if "in God We Trust" was removed from currency in our modern era.

 

None of what you've said in response actually responds to my query.


To review:

None of what you have said has pointed me to any words in the Constitution which are "the reason that the nation doesn't follow Allah or Budah [sic] or Satan."

Your next post needs to contain words... from the Constitution.

 

Notice the Wittness to thJe Constitution includes "the year of our Lord..."

"Article. VII.

"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,...". et al

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

------Article VII -- Signature (convention to propose amendments to the United States Constitution)

(The Wittness is "our Lord" (English language meaning God). The Wittness is not Allah, not Budah, not Satan, no Athiests). )

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As I stated before, the symbols on the currency are important. The words represent what the founding fathers were proporting for their present generation and the future generations.

 

That is a convention, not any significance in terms of religion. Many of the Framers were Deists, not Christians, in fact.

Most of the world uses the Christian calendar in which the current year is 2011 "A.D.", Anno Domini.... Latin for... ready? "In the year of our Lord".

They just wrote it out to be grander and more formal.

Once again, none of what you have said has pointed me to any words in the Constitution which are "the reason that the nation doesn't follow Allah or Budah [sic] or Satan."

 

Hmmm ... some recommendations on what should replace it.

1. Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) - just the word, nothing else.

2. The tyranny of the minority prevails!

3. Tolerance - abandoned in the name of Political Correctness!

4. In your country there is actual oppression, in our country a single word is considered so oppressive that we have to change your currency.

5. Me, ME, ME, ME

Those would be my suggestions.

 

READ:

God is the head, Christian is the follower.

"The Lord" is the Wittness to the Constitution.

Belief in God and Christianity are not one in the same.

Definition for deist's:
deist - a person who believes that God created the universe and then abandoned it. More »
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Ask the Jews who are the beginning of Monotheism. They are not Christians, but believers in God. Hence, there are different ways to determine God's existence. The Jews and Christians hold the same principles, especially, since one gave birth to the other. Dieists' get their moral direction from the word of God. God is still their moral compass.

"The United States Constitutional Convention[1] (also known as the Philadelphia Convention,[1] the Federal Convention,[1] or the Grand Convention at Philadelphia) took place from May 14 to September 17, 1787, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to address problems in governing the United States of America, which had been operating under the Articles of Confederation following independence from Great Britain. Although the Convention was purportedly intended only to revise the Articles of Confederation, the intention from the outset of many of its proponents, chief among them James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, was to create a new government rather than fix the existing one. The delegates elected George Washington to preside over the convention. The result of the Convention was the United States Constitution, placing the Convention among the most significant events in the history of the United States."

 

Asked by the true brainwashed liberal.​

 

None of which shows me words in the Consitution which justify your position.

The fact is, you'll be looking a long time, because there is nothing in the Constitution that refers to religion. The Constitution is thankfully religion-neutral, as government should be.

 

I didn't want go here, but this will be Check. Mate.

1. In order to make men equal he has to be established a human being. To give him citizenship he must be given freedom.
2. Natural Law belongs to God's. God's law makes all men equal, and free.
3. In order to free slave God had to be the reason to give them human status and life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness.

Amended Constitution.

A. When the Constitution notes "all other persons," it means slaves (see Article 1 Section 2). When it talks about the importation of persons (see Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1), it means the slave trade.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"The first and second article of the Virginia Declaration of Rights adopted unanimously by the Virginia Convention of Delegates on June 12, 1776 and written by George Mason, is:
That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."

See also Article 4, Section 2.

The 13th Amendment and the unratified Slavery Amendment mention slavery explicitly.

"In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. — The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."

"......Slavery in the United States was a form of unfree labor which existed as a legal institution in North America for more than a century before the founding of the United States in 1776, and continued mostly in the South until the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1865.[1] ....."

".....Partus sequitur ventrem, often abbreviated to partus, in the British North American colonies and later in the United States, was a legal doctrine which the English colonists incorporated in legislation related to definitions of slavery. It was derived from the Roman civil law; it held that the status of a child followed that of his or her mother...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partus_sequitur_ventrum

".......As we have stated earlier, the purpose of the United States Constitution was not to grant rights to the American people. The purpose was to establish a government of laws that would protect and secure each person's Creator- endowed rights to life, liberty, and property. As the Declaration of Independence states, "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."

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"14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

 

I didn't want go here, but this will be Check. Mate.

1. In order to make men equal he has to be established a human being. To give him citizenship he must be given freedom.
2. Natural Law belongs to God's. God's law makes all men equal, and free.
3. In order to free slave God had to be the reason to give them human status and life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness.

Amended Constitution.

"A. When the Constitution notes "all other persons," it means slaves (see Article 1 Section 2). When it talks about the importation of persons (see Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1), it means the slave trade."

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"The first and second article of the Virginia Declaration of Rights adopted unanimously by the Virginia Convention of Delegates on June 12, 1776 and written by George Mason, is:
That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."

See also Article 4, Section 2.

The 13th Amendment and the unratified Slavery Amendment mention slavery explicitly.

"In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. — The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."

"......Slavery in the United States was a form of unfree labor which existed as a legal institution in North America for more than a century before the founding of the United States in 1776, and continued mostly in the South until the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1865.[1] ....."

".....Partus sequitur ventrem, often abbreviated to partus, in the British North American colonies and later in the United States, was a legal doctrine which the English colonists incorporated in legislation related to definitions of slavery. It was derived from the Roman civil law; it held that the status of a child followed that of his or her mother...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partus_sequitur_ventrum

".......As we have stated earlier, the purpose of the United States Constitution was not to grant rights to the American people. The purpose was to establish a government of laws that would protect and secure each person's Creator- endowed rights to life, liberty, and property. As the Declaration of Independence states, "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."

www.legal-dictionary.thefreediction

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"14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

 

Ummm... You're still not showing me words that are actually in the Constitution that show we should be a Christian nation as opposed to religion neutral.

Theological discussions of your beliefs regarding from where our rights devolve are not words in the Constitution.

Like I said, there's no point in continuing to try, because my point in asking the question is that the words aren't there. The Constitution is wonderfully religion-neutral, as should be the federal government.

 

The Declaration of Independence invokes God, and it's no less a binding document on the representative republic than the Constitution.