The Chinese agenda

Do you think the US would happily stand by, while China (hypothetically) invades India?

 

Not going to happen, so don't worry about it.

 

It'd be hard to know. Right now I can't see either country justifying a fight against one another. They both have more than a billion people and large militaries. To say a war would be devestating is an understatement. I don't think the U.S., or anyone, would try and get in between China and India in a ground war. I think sanctions, arms support, and possible limited naval involvement would be the likely route.

Again, this is something that is probably unlikely to happen. But, you have two sleeping giants next to one another who have both shown they want to become dominant regional and even global powers. When you mix in Pakistan and some of those neighboring Soviet offshoots you have real potential for a WWIII scenario. You can almost compare it to WWI where various European powers were elbowing each other in close vicinity as they fought to become the dominant imperial power. A conflict in Central Asia even has the similar racial tensions that Europe had back then. Had this been 100 years ago a war would probably already have happened.

 

I am more than 100% sure that China will invade India if you were the Chinese President. I am also more than 100% sure that India will attack China if you were the Indian Prime Minister.

Then no country will be more happy than the US to see the two Asian nations destroying each other with nuclear missiles. Using a Chinese idiom, the US will adopt the strategy of 隔 岸 观 火 (ge an guan huo) which literally means watching a fire from the other side of the river, in other words, looking on at somebody's trouble with indifference.

 

Yes, I see eye to eye with you on this issue. You are more sober than old Joe this time, old friend.

 

You are forgetting that India and the US have been on and off again allies for decades. And since the fall of the Soviet Union, they have gotten even closer.

In the event of a war between the PRC and India, I would expect the US to participate with emergency weapons shipments and support to India.

 

China is the author of the alliance rising against her. The ruthlessness I admire in the Chinese is a source of fear for many.

 

I've never heard it put in those terms before.

 

Take note! That guy has the potential to be the future winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature.

 

There won't be any time even for eating one mushroom.

Before the US could move the emergency weapons out of the warehouses, China and India will become smouldering holes. The nuclear war won't be as slow as those old battles fought by the early European colonists against your ancestors and other native tribes with guns and arrows.

American imperialists will be laughing with glee as they will have two more "new worlds" to settle and colonize.

 

They do have an official department of propaganda. So that doesn't surprise me.

 

As the initiator of this thread, i have been following forum members posts with interest.
One thing that has dissapointed me, is that a couple or so posters seem to have mistaken this thread as an attack on the Chinese people individually, this is not the case, i've worked with Chinese people and in general they are very friendly, intelligent people.
This thread though is about the Chinese nation as a whole, taking into account their history and culture, and what we think this will lead to into the future as their economy expands, and their rapid update of thier military forces.

As of today, it is being reported that the carrier 'Varyag' has had its scaffolding removed and is being prepared for its launch maybe as soon as this month.
At the same time, even the Pentagon has confirmed that the Chines have started building their own carrier, though they do not appear to know if there's more than one.

Its obvious that China intends to be Numero Uno in the world in say a decade or so......while the Americans are facing a potential staggering defence budget decline in the same period.

ps: if anyone tells me again the Varyag is not a war machine then i'll scream.....put it this way i'd like to see you get aboard this ship and ask for some chips so you can play at the gaming tables!

 

China is a competitor and a threat in my view. The Chinese like to downplay their military's capabilities and like to seem or appear weak when they are actually stronger than what they are trying to portray themselves as. It is part of deception, which the Chinese like to use. I would also argue that China is pursuing a strategy of economic entanglement of both the US and Taiwan and the goal is to strengthen it's own economy, at the expense of the US economy and strengthen it's military given that their economy is getting stronger and they can afford to spend more on their military to strengthen it.

The goal of China, in my opinion, is to economically capture Taiwan through a strategy of economic entanglement without the need to use military might, however, if the only way China can capture Taiwan is through military force in the long term, China would want to be able to do so while keeping or deterring the US from intervening on the behalf of Taiwan. It is seeking to do so by also economically entangling the US by buying up vast amounts of US debt, artificially devaluing it's currency to have an unfair trade advantage over the US and also getting US businesses to do business with and in China (my understanding is that some US businesses like to use cheap labor in China), thus entangling the US economically while it spends more money on it's military to match or perhaps surpass US military might in the long term in the future. My two cents as far as the Chinese agenda and it's strategy.

 

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your post.........and i agree.

 

If you look at the world today, you can see that the Chinese are in a very very strong position.........their economy keeps on increasing, while the previously very strong economies of the West are faltering.

The US is under immense fiscal pressures that could see its military being reduced.

The UK has suffered big time having to bail out its banks, and it wont be until 2015 that the defence budget is increased.

The French have suffered, but not to the extent of the UK, but again cant afford more on defence.

......and Germany the richest nation in Europe are struggling due to the fact that as the main nation using the EURO, it is them who are being burdened with bailing out other nations in Europe.

Its been speculated that Italy could go down next in Europe, if that happens then this trillion dollar plus economy could do severe damage to Europe.

 

China is taking over, and the US is going under. Thank the rich folks in the US who promised to invest in the US with their tex incentives, but instead, were smart, and invested their money in China & India, instead of a country that was too far gone.

 

^^ Except that you can thank US restrictive policies on business for that.

The Chinese yuan is pegged to the USD and their economy is tied to ours.

We wont go down without hurting them, so it's not in China's interest.

 

I agree. But the PRC goal is more encompassing than that.

They have an eye on India and their other neighbors.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*).........what a bad day for the USA.

and the rest of the world come to think of it!

Debt now equivalent to the total gross output of 1 years GDP.

Which is 15 trillion dollars or $15,000,000,000,000 (i had to check that there is 12 zero's in a trillion. Is that a mind boggling figure or what?

Credit rating reduced to a 2 star.

China has scolded the US over its financial affairs.

Helicopter with a number of special forces personnel alledgedly shot down over Afghanistan.

Further calls for the US military to be reduced, with a potential cutting down of the F-35 program, and possible cuts to the number of carriers.

Blimey....................come on America, sort yourselves out, we need you to recover, otherwise the whole world goes belly-up, as was shown by shares in Europe plummeting big time this week.

In relation to this topic will China being looking at the misfortune of the USA with glee..........or will they be worried considering they have a huge investment in the US?

Will China be calling the US to pay some dept payments?

What do American members here think of their goverments handling of the situation......and why was the countries debt allowed to get to this level?

 

I think its atrocious. Our fabled country -- the oldest constitutional republic in the world -- has become a plutocracy run by pocketbooks and special interests. Our entire political system is antiquated and defunct (and therefore incapable of coping with, well, anything), and there is no reform in sight. Everywhere one looks, emotion and the party line preclude logic and the vast majority of the American populace is at best ignorant and at worst apathetic.

Our infrastructure is crumbling and our cities are overrun with crime and miscreants. Patience, subtlety, self-betterment and thrift -- all virtues of the original colonists and our Founding Fathers -- have become cultural pariahs in lieu of avarice, boorishness, self-indulgence, and impulsiveness. We produce no culture, build no monuments, write no literature. We have become a glutenous, wretched, ignorant people concerned with nothing beyond the immediately palpable, the immediately purchasable. As we speak, thousands of Mexicans pour across our undefended borders, bringing with them narcotics, violence, and disruptive modi operandi.

Our nation's economy, once sterling and the world's engine, is slowly decaying. The nation is woefully in debt without any recourse as long as things progress as they are. Our hegemony, poorly managed and executed to begin with, is quickly crumbling as we can no longer afford needless wars -- the playthings of brutish warmongers -- which wantonly waste blood and treasure.

Nonetheless, I for some reason remain optimistic. I love this nation, but neither its people nor its leaders. I have respect for what it was and have yet hope for what it can be. America has never failed to rise to a momentous occasion, and I trust that someone, somewhere will be able to do what is necessary to set our course straight again.

 

Good post......i'am sure somehow, the American people will find a way out of this situation........though its worrying that even today some US leaders want to carry on with even more spending.

 

For reference, i went to find out how much a trillion dollars looked like, there were several threads, with this one being the most applicable......it showed what the US debt looked like at 12 trillion dollars some 2 or 3 years ago!

You will be staggered by the result.

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On the other hand today i found a thread, showing that China's wealth is so immense, that if it were to use its reserves funds alone, it could buy out Italy (a near 2 trillion dollar GDP economy), outright.

 

There are also some US leaders who refuse to raise taxes and cut tax code loopholes. Almost half of Americans don't pay federal income tax, and the wealthiest Americans and corporations can worm their way out of paying through oodles of exemptions and deductions.

The whole system is entirely, wholly, completely, utterly broken, and to point fingers at one side or another and shout, "Don't look at me, look at him!" is extremely disingenuous.

 

Those that do not pay the Federal Income Tax are from the lowest levels of the economic ladder. Generally, those making under $40,000 a year.

And the wealthiest use loopholes everybody can use. If you think that people at your level are not paying enough, then feel free to pay what you think is right.

The top 10% pay around 70% of the income taxes collected. So how are they not paying their fair share?

To me, this just screams the need for a flat tax with no deductions, based upon all income over $40,000.

 

The US goverment has got to get a grip on things very quickly, as they are taking the rest of the western world down with them.
I'am not into American political affairs, but it seems to me Obama is pretty ineffective as a leader.............he could find himself being further strangled by China pulling the strings on him soon.