London burning - man shot

blacks youths are also dis proportionally more likely to be criminal and violent and thus have a greater chance to be stopped. Now think about that.

This is nothing but a criminal rampage to loot, they do not vent their anger at the police but on shops and homes which they loot.

Police should shoot at the knees, and deport any who does not hold British citizenship, cure the cancer now.

 

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"What does it say about Britain, an 'advanced' capitalist country, that so many people are desperate enough, and unconcerned enough about the consequences, to take part in mass looting of shops? Young people with a job worth having, and prospects for a future, do not generally take part in such actions."

 

Yes, and yet those who riot vent their anger in this sick and uncalled for way. Why? Why must people destroy, why can't they realize that someone has to fix what they destroy, why can't they see that this makes matters worse, not better?

 

Will the Ritz Hotel survive through the ordeal this time around? With so many conflicting reports in the media about the underlying roots and causes for these riots, I will prefer to wait for the release of "White Man's Burden 2" that will better reflect the reality and explain precisely what just happened.

 

"Young people with a job worth having, and prospects for a future, do not generally take part in such actions.""

 

Not having a job is no excuse to act like a thug and commit criminal acts.

 

you are seriously mistaken, there would have been probably ten times the amount of public outrage with hundreds of adult demonstrators as well as the opportunists children all over London. the looters will be there for any riot they are a constant. but all they do is detract from the issue. instead of organized looting there needs to be organized protests with demands and a voice.

 

So they destroy the jobs and welfare of others, those who own a business and employ locals to work in their shops. These thugs should be beaten and if need be shot. This is not to be tolerated.

 

The British Labour Party is already preparing long speeches to commemorate these events as a historic breakthrough in social relations.

 

Shot? Yeah, that would help. Idiotic idea-then again you support Spurs...never that bright, Spurs supporters.

 

A few rubber bullets might make those scum think twice.

 

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more deployment of tear gas, rubber bullets, tasers, and nets.

There are a wide variety of non-lethal means to disperse and subdue crowds.

 

I've in the past often protested against "police brutality" but in this instance I'd like to see our police beat the $hite out of these thieving crap heads.

 

I suppose if you have some kids with no family or father figure that is one thing but if you have large communities of them it's another. I don't know but that was his analysis and he was a community worker who probably knows his area well and the people in it. Where were those kids parents? How do these kids explain all the TV's and new mobiles and clothing to the family? What do the mothers say when they go home with bags full of stolen goods?

agreed but to be honest what kind of job would they get anyway if there was one? a lot of them could barely string a sentence together from what they showed on TV
what level of education do they have? what kind of job would they be able to do which would make their life better? from what I saw they all dressed the same with that gangster type clothing and the speech was that gangster type heard on MTV type programs
it was like some kind of cult of clones all dressed the same and very different from the ones being interviewed today who were cleaning up the mess who sounded English and not like American rap artists

I guess there would have been many more deaths if these gangster type thugs brought out their weapons too.
I've never seen women go nose to nose with police and threaten them and poke them and curse them. It was enough to see the men BUT women????
that was really shocking to see

 

Unfortunately , our police have a adopted a softly. softly, tactic , perhaps waiting for general public demands /approval , for ,heavier assaults .

 

The post I responded to:

Not to be difficult, but your answer seems more like an excuse, not an explanation.
If what you say were true, wouldn't that mean to all jobless people have the right to act up in this vile manner, necessitating tax payer money most countries have little of, to clean up after those who have nothing else to do but trash everything in sight?
Or could it be, in part, their lack of discipline and common sense, that keeps them jobless and without prospect?
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't hire any of them.

 

The advantage to that scenario is that the U.K. would have a few less chavs afterwards.

The disadvantage would be that a few cops would probably get killed in the process.

Nevertheless, I still think that non-lethal weapons like gas would successfully quell this rather unruly herd.

 

Politically, it's somewhat smart even if it results in a lot of damage beforehand. However, I would have to agree that law enforcement needs to be more assertive to be effective in the long run.

 

The protests that I mentioned were related to the shooting dead of a man by the police in london.

His family and friends had a protest which was hijacked by thugs, the violence escalated very quickly and turned to arson and looting.

The behaviour of the "rioters" is criminal, they are not protesting anything they carry no signs chant no slogans and claim no party or ideology as their own. They want new plasma TV's and they are looting them.

The underlying causes of this behaviour is the very poor inter generational social mobility in England.

Marginalised and disaffected areas stay marginalised and disaffected, and with time the situation deteriorates. The poor and disaffected are unlikely to vote or be politically active ( where they are politically active it tends to fringe parties like the BNP). Frustration does bubble up they lack the means or ability (often as a result inferior educational attainment) to properly represent their concerns through the right channels. More police and fuller jails will not solve this problem, the UK needs to face us to its problems of social mobility.

 

They could always start another penal colony like Australia. Ironically, Australia has a higher standard of living than the U.K. now.

Maybe that's the best means of social mobility in the long run... (I kid, I kid).

 

They have been authorised to use rubber bullets.

I don't think those have been used here since the 70s...

 

Bobbies gonna be ready for the hooligans tonight...

Britain braces for new night of riots
August 9, 2011, Anticipating another round of rioting, British officials beef up the police presence in London and other cities. After a day of scattered skirmishes between officers and rioters, authorities say they can't guarantee an end to the violence and looting.

 

It still seems more of an excuse, sorry. Lacking an appropriate answer, these are my thoughts.
Among hundreds of people one should be able to find some sort of verbally capable leader, one who leads them to channel their frustration more effectively, instead of violently, someone who pleas for them, instead of leading them/each other into a greater abyss.
Poverty isn't necessarily causing the lack of reasoning, impulse control, discipline, but looking at those who have overcome poverty, it seems that discipline, impulse control and reasoning are key to success, obtained not with money or riches, but proper parenting.

 

Ha!

I was thinking the same thing: The Arab Spring has finally hit the UK.

How long before Obama insists that Cameron step down?

 

Geez, if these were really anti-establishment riots then you should see specific landmarks especially dear to the elite ransacked, such as the Ritz Hotel and the BBC headquarters, rather than soft middle class targets on the order of hair saloons and shops. Otherwise, the whole sherade is just a wasted opportunity and a testimony to a failed multicultural state. The resourceful Egyptians at least torched their Ministry of Interior. In London, it's nothing but looting.