Socialism Doesn't work with the Constitution

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Robodoon, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Ephemera

    Ephemera New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's the theory. Yet, every socialist government seems to put a damper on free speech, press and practice of religion the moment they take power. You haven't noticed that trend?
     
  2. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Socialism tends to pair itself with authoritarianism. But it doesn't have to. Socialism has nothing to do with social freedom.
     
  3. Someone

    Someone New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2010
    Messages:
    7,780
    Likes Received:
    84
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And you believe the United States will not? The inherent weakness of a libertarian system is that it cannot persist--the people inevitably demand a larger government.
     
  4. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2006
    Messages:
    16,105
    Likes Received:
    234
    Trophy Points:
    0
  5. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
  6. armor99

    armor99 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,645
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It is clear by this statement that you do not understand the Declaration of Independance or the Constitution. It speaks of inalienable rights. As in you are endowed by your creator (nature if you prefer) with these rights. Rights that are not granted by the govt, cannot be taken away. And that is the whole point of the Const. The const. is not a document listing what YOU can or cannot do.... it lists what the govt can and cannot do.
     
  7. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The declaration of independence is not a legal document. Nor does the constitution mention anything about inalienable rights. Nothing in the constitution is sacred from an amendment. If 2/3rds of the states ratified an amendment to make only golden retrievers eligible for president and only monkeys could vote for the canine candidates that's exactly the kind of governmental system we'd have.
     
  8. Ephemera

    Ephemera New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It certainly does. It certainly doesn't have to, but it always will. It is an imperative peripheral protocol. Rational choice theory.
     
  9. Ephemera

    Ephemera New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
  10. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,545
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    He did no such thing. The banking system is more heavily "regulated" than ever and it's still failing. Regulations and government force can only prop up a corrupt and broken system for so long. Eventually the free market will rear its head and give everyone a reality check. True deregulation would be a blessing.
     
  11. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,545
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Why amend the Constitution when you can just ignore it? That's what you support anyway
     
  12. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I agree that it is unlikely we will see a socialist government that is not authoritarian anytime soon.
     
  13. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,545
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Where in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the right to "regulate the markets how it sees fit"?
     
  14. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2006
    Messages:
    16,105
    Likes Received:
    234
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Simply disproving your claim that correlation equals causation.
     
  15. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    There is no part of the constitution that I ignore.
     
  16. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,545
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Do you support the Federal Reserve System?
     
  17. Clint Torres

    Clint Torres New Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    5,711
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Sometime people who interpret the constitution have no cognitive capacity to understand the complex document. They turn a complex issue into a simple two dimentional if/or interpretation. The Constitution is by far harder to decypher than the simple rantings of a bible level preacher. When discussing the constitution, one must take into account the purpose, the era, the amendments, and the history of each attempted ammendments, and know why the constitution has been changed or altered for it's period, and why wat that change needed.

    Bottom line is discussing the constitutional effectiveness of the document is only acheived if all parties have the capacity to understand and communicate in intelligent dialogue. Simple explainations and content are just a waste of time.
     
  18. Veni-Vidi-Feces

    Veni-Vidi-Feces New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The failings of a governmental system are usually chalked up to one thing greedy humans. As soon as someone figures out how to overcome those you have a infallible system.
     
  19. hoytmonger

    hoytmonger New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,246
    Likes Received:
    69
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Read post #15.

    Most rational people distrust and dislike government, the only ones demanding a larger government are the ignorant.
     
  20. Subdermal

    Subdermal Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2011
    Messages:
    12,185
    Likes Received:
    415
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As soon as someone figures out how to overcome that you also have no need for Government at all.

    Why didn't that occur to you?
     
  21. yguy

    yguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2010
    Messages:
    18,423
    Likes Received:
    886
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    On the contrary, the Preamble states explicitly that one of the goals of the Constitution is to secure the Blessings of Liberty, which won't exist if America becomes one giant company town.
    No, it is given the authority to regulate certain types of commerce. It may not use that authority to mold industries according to its desire.

    Of course people who don't value liberty can be expected to interpret it as you do.

    There is no such thing as an economic system which has absolutely nothing to do with free speech, obviously.

    Not explicitly, but they are clearly implied in 9A.
    Suffrage of the states in the senate is, unless the amendment passes unanimously.
    It takes 3/4 to ratify an amendment.
     
  22. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    13,146
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    My mistake
     
  23. IrishLefty

    IrishLefty New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,179
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Friend, provide some objective proof for your conspiracy theories before you cite them. You seem to believe anything conspiracy theorists will tell you. Further, you just ignore the parts of my post that force you to objectively analyze your assumptions about the world. I don't mean to insult you friend.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o[/ame]
     
  24. Veni-Vidi-Feces

    Veni-Vidi-Feces New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Nah, in addition to the greedy, there are the grossly incompetent government needs to hold in check, both foreign and domestic.
     
  25. Robodoon

    Robodoon Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    4,906
    Likes Received:
    182
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And you don't understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

    Actually you are upset of corporatism, which is even weight capitalism turned evil.

    Corruption can destroy fair scales.
     

Share This Page