Do tax cuts help create Jobs?

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Do tax cuts help create Jobs?

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  1. rahl

    rahl Banned

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    lol, how many dodges are you going to make?
     
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    since tax cuts are at a 60 year low, why is unemployment over 9%?

    I fully expect you to run away and hide from this question yet again.
     
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  4. Badmutha

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    Ahh yes....stinking ANWR

    "It will take 10 years to get any oil out of ANWR"--The Democrat Party--1970

    The Saudi Arabia of Coal and Natural Gas......this country is energy (D)ependent because we choose to be.......by electing Democrats and their NO-ENERGY policies.

    I dont laugh at solar technology....I just dont believe it should come at the end of a gun.

    Advancements in technology (Obama's devil) will make alternative energy more affordable and attractive.......and an investment today in our current resources as well as future energy sources is the best way to create jobs now and in the future.

    Things can be as simple or as complicated as you choose to make them........

    The Religon of Liberalism requires all things to be complicated.....thus allowing common sense to be completely ignored.
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    Well its only worked everytime its been tried, so I understand your doubts.....

    Unemployment Rate after The JFK Tax Cuts
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    Unemployment Rate after The Reagan Tax Cuts
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    Unemployment Rate after The Bush Tax Cuts
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    already refuted.

    now, since tax rates are at a 60 year low, why is unemployment over 9%?
     
  7. Badmutha

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    I thought I heard the sound of metal squealing and concrete breaking.......

    .....and Rahl's Goalpost Relocation Services were there.
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    You asked for specific examples....I gave them......

    --Stop seizing 30-50% of the Fruit of my own labor

    --Stop seizing 20-50% of the Fruit of my Employee's and my Customer's labor

    --Stop raping my business via Property Taxes

    --Quit forcing me to pay people not to work

    --Remove the Policies that make me pay $60,000 to hire someone for $40,000



    You hinted Democrats werent responsible for The Income Tax, Payroll Taxes, Property Taxes, or Unemployment Insurance........

    .........and everyone laughed at you.

    Now what have I missed.....or did you require further elaboration?

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    another dodge noted.


    you're embarassing yourself.
     
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    The Income Tax, Payroll Taxes, Property Taxes, or Unemployment Insurance.......

    ....do I need to google them for you?
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    yet another dodge.
     
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    ObamaCare.......Cap and Tax.......how many examples are required before you start acknowledging the plethora provided?
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    when will you provide specific laws by democrats that have caused high unemployment?

    obamacare isn't in full force yet.

    taxes are at a 60 years LOW, why is unemployment over 9%?

    you can keep dodging, but I'm going to keep pointing it out.
     
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    Business wants more tax cuts not to craete jobs in the USA but so they can invest in China.
     
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    If JFK's taxes are preferable then we should return to them; that is all I get from those charts.

    When looking at unemployment it helps to remember what might be new technology fueling a boom, and what was cheap (energy).

    We had a black and white Magnavox during those Kennedy Tax cuts and I saw Star Trek in black and white, because my parents were never big spenders even when my father owned his own company in the 60's and we lived in a vary upscale neighborhood of executives, doctors, and lawyers.

    I remember considering the Heathkit back during Reagan: http://heathkit.garlanger.com/systems/h89.shtml

    And considering that the Bush tax cuts were in response to the dot com bust, that new technology was in full swing. Now the same power computer you could have personal during Reagan can be held in the hand and charged with a small solar panel.

    If you want those charts going wildly up and down, cut taxes to stimulate, but keep cutting and without reducing spending you just give us more deficits like we have had since the Bush tax cuts.

    Cut too much spending, or threaten to cut too much spending, without considering what to do about the existing personal debt of the citizens in mortgages...accumulated under what they could expect from entitlement insurance, and you will get an Obamanator returning. Roman Emperors would sometimes absolve all citizens of debts upon taking the purple; better consider it if you want to destroy social security without fulfilling it with perfect good faith.

    What we really need is a new technology to get behind, and make it our own. Our biggest threat is energy, just like it was during Nixon and Carter Pin; or I should say the foreign threat that we will not be independently able to provide our own energy...

    "--Stop seizing 30-50% of the Fruit of my own labor

    --Stop seizing 20-50% of the Fruit of my Employee's and my Customer's labor

    --Stop raping my business via Property Taxes

    --Quit forcing me to pay people not to work

    --Remove the Policies that make me pay $60,000 to hire someone for $40,000" (Badmutha)

    "I asked for specific laws by democrats. the above is not democratic laws." (rahl)

    "The Income Tax, Payroll Taxes, Property Taxes, or Unemployment Insurance......." (Badmutha)

    Property Taxes are not Democrat taxes, they have existed since long before any Democrat existed: "THE land tax, in it's modern fhape, has fuperfeded all the former methods of rating either property, or perfons in refpect of their property, whether by tenths or fifteenths, fubfidies on land, hydages, fcutages, or talliages; a fhort explication of which will greatly affift us in underftanding our antient laws and hiftory." http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/blackstone_bk1ch8.asp

    In most ancient societies they taxed property such as sheep, wine, and other such wealth. The Koran (which the Obamanation says is HOlY) has a kind of property taxes called the Zakat. http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/zakat/zakat_calculator.shtml Actually that is probably the "fairest" tax of the day. So when you say "flat tax" I think of the Zakat, because everyone pays the same percentage. I do not want that "flat tax," and a flat tax on income still penalizes invention more than the Zakat.

    The Income Tax was started by Abraham Lincoln, it is a Republican tax, no matter what the ignorant Ron Paul said in his many mistaken writings, the Confederate Democrats had no income tax. And none of the others are Democratic laws, because Republicans when in control continued all of them. And there are States that when they had full Democratic control had no State Income Tax.

    You say, "Stop seizing 30-50% of the Fruit of my own labor," and I would love to, but you already rejected you keeping that fruit, and the Tea Party insists on silver spoon inheritors keeping all of the fruit of someone else's labor, or a return to the aristocratic system that prompted Thomas Jefferson mentioning "lessening the inequality of property," and you reject returning to indirect taxes such as tariffs to encourage domestic labor (jobs).
     
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    They do cerate jobs but their are also better (and cheaper) ways to create jobs by increasing consumption. As for your graphs both Reagan and Bush came in during a recession (reagan in 81-82) (bush in 2001-02). that is why the rate lowered not so much because of the tax break.

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    And what are those?

    Tax cuts dont cost a dime.......unlike every bloated and failed Democrat subprime jobs program in History.

    And JFK/Johnson?

    No reason to stiplify it.....recession or no recession......tax cuts create jobs. Feeding the host organism (rather than the parasite of Liberalism) is always going to create jobs and improve an economy.
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    I doubt you presented an accurate picture of the facts.

    Unemployment with Bush tax cuts:

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    Unemployment with Clinton tax increase:

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    So are you seriously contending the Bush Tax Cuts caused the Mortgage Meltdown and Recession?

    ........why do you still not want to mention the Reagan or JFK Tax Cuts?


    .....are you seriously contending that tax increases create Jobs?

    .....A century of tax increases......do you have any other examples besides BJ?
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    since tax rates are at a 60 year low, why is unemployment over 9%?

    I've cornered you several times with this question, and each time you've run away.
     
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    They work for the immediate future. But when you throw a wrench into the machine, tax breaks or not, the economy is going to tank. After 8 years, the unemployment exploded, not because of the tax cuts, but because another economic disaster happened. The tax cuts being maintained for so long gave Americans the sense that this is the "norm". The tax cuts from Bush should have been steady for 3 years, then had a 3 year 1% incremental increase back to the old rates.

    Tax cuts stimulate the economy in the short term, the longer they stay in place, the more people become complacent.
     
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    YES ! Tax dollars invested by government back into the economy creates jobs and wealth. Anyone who has studied Economics 101 knows this.
     
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    Fine, and when the dems call tax cuts as "spending money", that is the best way to create those private sector jobs. Name one thing that the government has created that produces anything of value.
     
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    Only someone with limited education would ask such a question. I suggest you take some remedial education courses at your local Elementary School (I think the Government will absorb the cost)
     
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