" Liberalness ... a mental disorder "

You point out why liberalism is a mental disorder.

odrama's Stimulus cut taxes for 95% of working families and that is a good thing, ACCORDING TO YOU.

And Bush's tax cuts saved the middle class and below $300 billion per year while saving the actual job creators $70 billion per year. Yet liberals tend to claim that the Bush tax cuts are the root of odrama's deficits.

Bush tax cuts BAD, odrama tax cuts Good! That is the insanity of liberalism.

And it is fair to call him a Socialist, or a Communist, or a Radical Liberal, even a Fascist. Since he is whatever seems will help him most, that day, that is what he is, that day, or hour, or minute. So applying the exactly correct label on odrama is impossible.

 

Back to the OP's premise that liberalism is a mental disorder. It seems to fly in the face of science (not surprising, giving the aversion of conservatives to science):

A study of 195 randomly selected high school students published in the European Journal of Social Psychology finds:

"The main trend of the results tended to confirm authoritarian personality theory concerning the relationship between intolerance of ambiguity and racism or ethnic prejudice. Furthermore, some support was found for the context hypothesis, with regards to the relationship between general intolerance of ambiguity and general conservatism, among other things."

This square pretty well with my personal experience with hard right Conservatives.

 

So young inexperienced minds are filled with theory and hypothesis. Duh, who didn't know that? Do you remember that theories and hypothesis, are not facts?

"If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain."

 

Ummm, that's not what the study said.

I was just contrasting the opposing viewpoints with respect to which side of the the political aisle is the home of the loons:

One view was offered by Michael Savage (himself a loon)

The other view offered by European Journal of Social Psychology.

I know which one I trust.

 

but you tolerant libs won't allow

 

I see you're from West Virginia. I take it you know that West Virginia was a Union state.

 

So what? NY, IL and CA all paid in more than they received. NM, AL and MS all paid in less they they received.

 

I think another thing that is confused is socialism and communism. Any of the communist system implemented on a national level over the last hundred years or so have been totalitarian.

Canada is Socialist, USA is socialist. Any time you collect money through taxes and use this money to do things for the benefit of all society .. that is socialism. Socialism does not have to include totalitarianism.

One of the largest socialist programs on the planet is the US military.

 

Dan40, are you aware the liberal Democrats and the Leftists and the socialists in our country also believe in and support "trickle down" economics?

Yes, it is true. They truly believe if we raise taxes on the wealthy to a sufficiently high rate, some of the money the government collects from them will actually "trickle down" and help the poor!

 

I thought science found a genetic link regarding novelty, with regards to liberals. This squares pretty well with my personal experiences with liberals and their endless fixations with causes via ever reaching for utopia, and on point for the OPs query about liberal mental disorders.

 

What Utopia do people on the center left seek? By center left, I mean in the Canadian and European sense, not the American center-left(which is like the right everywhere else). What you are saying is extraordinarily stupid. Marxists believe in Utopia, extreme free market advocates believe in Utopian, but there is not a single member of the center-left who believes in anything even closely resembling Utopia. You are just talking (*)(*)(*)(*)!!

 

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

 

Doesn't matter. I see that flag fly high in California, Oregon, Washington...pick a blue state and you'll see that flag. The tradition of righteous defiance knows no boundries.

 

It appears that most political discussions here boil down to over-generalizations regarding "the left" or "the right" as if they were homogeneous organizations. This, of course, results in name calling; anyone who believes in X must be Y!

This country has plenty of problems, people. Let's discuss real solutions and leave the name-calling on the playground.

 

Nor does ignorance. BTW, it's spelled boundaries.

 

Ooh, you score so many points for proofreading. It almost makes me bow before your whacky leftard arguments.

Almost.

 

Bill Maher is right way more often than he is wrong...but he can be a real (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) sometimes. I think he's hilarious in the sense that I laugh with him, not at him. There's not many people like him out there, who are just willing to not hold back about his real feelings.

 

Well, lets look at one measure I'm sure you will go along with, government spending as a % of GDP. It was quite a bit higher tha in the USA, but not any more



I dunno what you mean by "no guarantee of property rights", perhaps you can explain. Wiki says "Canada has one of the highest levels of economic freedom in the world. Today Canada closely resembles the U.S. in its market-oriented economic system, and pattern of production."
sources - CIA, Fraser Institute

No, it isn't. And even if it was, having a few socialist type policies doesn't really make a country 'more socialist'. The UK is not 'more socialist' because it has the NHS, which is obviously a socialist-type policy. It is simply capitalism which for one reason or another has adopted these things. Even the Tories nationalised some industries in Britain, but certainly not for socialist reasons. You cant really mix socialism and capitalism as such, there is no continuum. They are separated by revolution. Ultimately one class rules, the capitalists or the workers. The even begin building a socialist economy you would have to take the major industries into public ownership, with democratic workers control. They would be run with decision making at as low a level as possible, but with a board at the top advised by planners. The board would be elected people on average pay representing the workers, consumers and government. The companies would be taken over without compensation unless need could be proven.

A socialist government would be responsible for every individual. If you are a mother and your husband beats you, the government would have to provide you with a house, job, childcare and so on, or an income if you chose to stay at home if the kids were very small. If your 14 year old ran away because they couldn't stand living at home, the government would have to provide for that child and ensure his or her welfare and education etc continued in a safe environment.

you beat me to it.

 

Canada scores higher that the USA for economic freedom, what more proof do you want? Canada scores 80.8 and is ranked 6th. The USA scores 77.8 and is ranked 9. This is measured on various things including property rights. For property rights, Canada scores 90.0 and the USA 85.0, so even on that one measure Canada is higher.

Yes, conservatives are not only more stupid, they are off their trolleys as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

http://reason.com/archives/2004/10/20/pathologizing-conservatism

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog.../is-political-conservatism-mild-form-insanity

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v10/n10/abs/nn1979.html

 

Denmark is ranked higher than the US. Denmark is not Capitalist.

Heritage doesn't fact in overall policies. All they factor in are what makes it easier for the economy to operate. Canada has a pretty moderate tax rate, low tariffs, low to moderate inflation, their minimum wage is higher than the US. None of these actually explain their overall policies.

Also according to Heritage the US (85) has a lower Private Property Rights than Canada (90). I don't know how that can be if Property Rights are not in the Canada Charter. Sure they have a Constitution, and the Charter of Rights protect fundamental rights and freedoms of the citizens but there is no guarantee of property. Without that, true Capitalism cannot exist in a country no matter how Business Friendly they are.

Ken Sanders retired from diary farming but was only allowed to receive 90 percent of his earnings. He earnings was then taken and given to the Milk Board. He challenged it and demand that he receive compensation by the Government. The courts decided that his earnings was quota and not considered "property" so nothing was no expropriation and no one had to compensate him.

Without the guarantee of property, Capitalism cannot truly exist. If Capitalism exist differently anywhere else then it can't be capitalist.

 

High expenditure to GDP ration is not unique to any particular economic system.

Okay, how does Canada resemble the U.S. market economic system?

Both countries trade often, have pretty have a pretty high tax burden, both countries have states/provinces with very strict and imposing labor union laws.

If anything we have started to resemble them wrong ways but none in all the right ways. The Canadian federal government has lone jurisdiction for all banks under their constitution. They've nationalized energy, we're nationalized cars (temporary). They have socialized medicine. We want socialized medicine. If anything we are trying to be like them while they are trying to be like us. They drill for their own oil. We want to drill of our own oil.

The key essentials which is suppose to make Canada capitalist is not there.

If you believe there shouldn't be a market price on health care and energy, why nationalize them if you don't have socialist reasons? The only other reason is if you think Government can run it better than the private market can.

So because a country doesn't operate book by book on the Socialism manifesto then it's not really socialism?

Hard core Libertarians can apply that to the system that we have now. We haven't been more of a corperatist society than a capitalist because of all the government interference and subsidies. But it doesn't change that it's a capitalist country many because of one element: Property Rights. It's the most important part of a capitalist system. Without it, Government cannot guarantee your rights to your Property. They can claim anything of yours for any reason. Sure you might consider it a 'weak version of socialism' but that's all it would take.

 

LOL...funny posts.
Denmark is not Capitalist...good one.

and "The key essentials which is suppose to make Canada capitalist is not there."

CANADA is not Capitalist?

Question: Are you TRYING to get insulting responses?

 

I've lived in Denmark for 5 years so I would know if it were capitalist or not.

No Canada not capitalist because being capitalist involves Private Property Rights which is not guaranteed by the Canadian Constitution. Why are all these economic illiterates clueless about what makes capitalism work?

As for insulting responses, that would require some sort of actual wit and intellect for something to be insulting to me. But that doesn't mean people haven't tried.

 

Not really. You might be referring to the standards of the relationship, but no one morally opposes a marriage between a man and woman.

 

The reason we have less "economic freedom" than does Canada can be attributed directly to the policies of the Obama administration. The Democrats believe if they take more money (more revenue) from the "job creators" in the form of higher taxes they can get our economy rising again!

Please check this out.



And the clueless Democrats wonder why our national economy cannot lift off and once again and soar to new heights! Before we worry about other distractions, let's first concern ourselves with the Congressional policies that are really holding our economy back and preventing it from actually improving!