Class Warfare: "It's Coming! Get Ready!

Yep. They would be slaughtered in those inner city riots by the inner city blacks that actually know how to riot. These white anarchists only know how to break stuff. Black rioters actually know how to kill white folk.

 

Its the same concept. The population of our country pays the tab to install the systems and infrastructure we desire. It costs X dollars. There is Y people.

So, what percentage of people Y should be tasked with picking up X dollars in your opinion?

So we have to tax the rich so that more people can assume the tax burden.

Hmmm...

Is that kind of like me going out to dinner with you and me picking up 75% of the tab to your 25% so next time you have enough money to pay half?

You know how many times in our history there was a zero tax liability for nearly 50% of the country?

Zero. Ziltch. Nada.

But hey, lets only pay attention to half the facts!

You love to play games Mello. Your points must be really weak.

If I suggest a tax on the middle class, then you throw out there that grandma will have to eat cat food.

If I suggest that some people benefit from taxes collected by the rich, then obviously I mean the military.

Really? You're arguments are weak.

The president you support has outlined the support of WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION which is the topic. You know, taking from some and giving to others.

This is only performed through social programs enacted and supported by the left.

Then again. You knew what I was talking about. You are just deflecting to avoid defending your position.

 

so is it rich people scared to spend....or is it a real estate crisis?

 

Everybody will need to contribute to end the recession. But the rich have the greatest ability to invest in the quantity to end the recession.

This doesn't however explain how we live in a zero sum society.

 

and your arguments sound like my wife trying to understand how to budget our money....

you ignore every other form of taxes paid....ignore people who pay taxes for 70 years....then dont for the last 20......and claim one group is picking up the whole tab....

well the rich may only pay for 90% of dinner...you ignore the bill for drinks, gas, parking, the coat attendant.....

you use these meaningless numbers (zomg 47% dont pay)...and ignore the meat....

of that 47% that dont pay...what percent NEVER pay? why dont you care about this information?

 

The SOME that helps your argument while ignoring the rest.

Yeah, Im going to call foul. Because thats exactly what it is.

You giving credence to only the facts, and only arguing in the terms, that support your agenda.

Dishonesty at its worse. But hey, maybe if we all played this way, we could create a discussion that pushes agenda back and forth with absolutely no respect for the truth. Oh wait. We have that.

Lets pretend its a family of 4 earning 50K a year with 2 kids.

You know. The fact I provided earlier. The MAJORITY of the cases of people not paying any income tax. Not the fringe situations that you think makes your points seem more valid.

So half of the households in this country are retirees and college students?

So you still want to focus on the small portion that you think is going to validate your position and ignore the rest.

P.S. Yes, I did.

 

Uh, no. Class warfare has been on ever since the right-wing said that's what the left has been claiming.

 

which of the righties ranting about class warfare believe that Bill gates should pay the same AMOUNT in tax dollars as the janitor at mcdonalds?

otherwise explain to me why he should have to pay MORE.

 

I have noticed that it is harder and harder to figure out where Mello boy stands. He clearly wants to be liberal but the truth may be migrating to his head.??

Or, he maybe a Soros troll.

 

LOL if its a small portion...then prove it.

what percent chronically do not pay federal taxes?

what percent of that 47% are retired? students? under 30? unemployed for part of a given year?

 

What is my motivation to earn more than the average income then? If you are just going to take 80% of it from me?

LOL. More left wing hog wash dishonesty disguising envy and jealousy.

How absolutely pathetic.

ITS NOT A ZERO SUM SOCIETY

Wealth can be created, not just transferred.

 

LOL if its a small portion...then prove it. youre putting out these meaningless stats and getting mad that I dont accept them with sufficient outrage?

what percent chronically do not pay federal taxes?

what percent of that 47% are retired? students? under 30? unemployed for part of a given year?

 

but as you just pointed it out....its much easier if the rich are investing their money (of if the govt does it for them)

 

right...why would I want someone to give me a hundred dollars if I only keep 20....

who the hell wants 20 more dollars

 

Oh, here comes the old Mello we all love...

When his positions have hit the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wall like they always do, he will pick and choose snippets of posts to try and prove inconsistency in others positions to attempt to invalidate them.


However, like always, his attempts are simply more dishonesty and cherry picking out of context.

I already said that the recession was started by the real estate crisis but is being continued because the left has created an environment where people are afraid to spend.

It is not an either or.

Want to get back to defending your ridiculous, dishonest, half baked positions now?

 

except the recession ended .....quite some time ago.

but thats ok...im sure you will now explain that you REALLY meant something else

lmao @ afriad to spend....yah I wanted to make some money...but what if I have to pay taxes?

 

its not that the house you paid 250k for is now worth 50k....

its that the liberals are scaring the rich people!!!!

that makes tons of sense if youre a parstian hack

 

I pay those same taxes. Thus, in the context of INCOME tax, they don't matter. Subjective fallacy.

I have no problem with these people. You keep pointing at this small percentage though to ignore the bigger issue.

Its typical though. Don't worry.

One group is essentially picking up the whole tab. That group is the top 50 percentile.

The rich pay for all of that too. They don't get out of paying for those things, and those things have absolutely no bearing on the cost of dinner.

Its meaningless what percentage of our population have no income tax liabilities? Especially when income tax is the largest revenue stream for the federal government?

LOL.

You mean the sidebar you are hoping will prevent you from defending your position in the face of facts.

Lets look at life time then? I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that the percentage of people in the bottom 50th percentile of income earners over the course of their life pay very very low percentages of income tax compared to the upper 50th percentile.

You would disagree?

 

Focusing on the statistical middle class — the middle 20 percent of households, as ranked by income — underlines this point. Households in this group made $35,400 to $52,100 in 2006, the last year for which the Congressional Budget Office has released data. That would describe a household with one full-time worker earning about $17 to $25 an hour. Such hourly pay is typical for firefighters, preschool teachers, computer support specialists, farmers, members of the clergy, mail carriers, secretaries and truck drivers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Taking into account both taxes and tax credits, the average household in this group paid a total income tax rate of just 3 percent. A good number of people, in fact, paid no net income taxes. They are among the alleged free riders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html​

 

It's been here since the Reagan Revolution.

 

you do realize that you can deduct some of the other taxes you pay....which can lower your taxable income....

another variable we have to ignore I assume...

http://www.ehow.com/how_12347_claim-deductions-state.html

and you keep claiming its a small percent while providing nothing to back that up

except that group isnt a constant....someone might be in the top 50 for 5 years, then never again.

if everyone pays all of those then why would you limit your argument to federal income taxes? do the numbers sound better that way>?

correct....and ive explained why....

at least youre now acknowleding there is a side bar, and its not black and white....thats sort of my entire point.

those would at least be numbers that fit in the context of what youre arguing.

but again, its not like you want a flat tax amount for every citizen....right? so youre still ok with the rich paying more and class warfare?

 

making 34-52k and paying federal income taxes....

is that supposed to suport your argument?

 

EVERYONE should pay something so they have a stake in how that money is spent.

That being said, all the loopholes, tax breaks, and deals giant corps enjoy should be cut off. Their teams of accountants and lawyers should go away. If we just put a flat tax on business, then the small companies can better compete with the big guys.

We should also have a flat tax for everyone else, but make it a tiered flat tax. No more loopholes, games, or 60,000+ pages of tax code. Let the poor have a smaller percent, but they must pay something. I don't even care if it is 2%.... something.

Basing your tax code on "the rich" is just stupid. For one, they have the most vastly fluctuating income of all the tiers. They have great years and bad years and in those bad years our government spends the same amount of money and they forecast every year to be a great year for spending purposes.

 

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...illion-wage-earners-pay-no-federal-income-tax

 

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !! Feels liberating, doesn't it ???