http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany Here's another nail in the coffin to the liberal mantra that the Nazis were "right wing." It would appear that the Nazis were very hostile to Christianity, in the same way liberals are hostile to Christianity, and in fact murdered thousands of Christian clery. The Nazis were "left wing" socialists, as in "national socialists." The concept that the Nazis were "right wing" is a lie that has been repeated so many times most people believe it.
The left just want to say Hitler was conservative to give the right a bad name as racists and killers.
Yawn. Moving the goal posts. No True Scotsman. Logical fallacy after logical fallacy. Can you make one thread without resorting to irrational thought?
That's an overly simplistic conclusion. What the article makes apparent is that the position is far from as clear cut. Some Nazi's were Christian, though there were efforts to "shape" Christianity to their wider views (not that the Nazi's are the first or last to try that!) but plenty of Christians fundamentally opposed Nazism and were vicously punished for that too. Simply stating that the Nazi's were pro- or anti-Christianity is equally dishonest and when said, usually equally intentionally. I think Nazism is a classic example of the fundamental flaw in defining complex and varied socio-political structures with a simple binary left or right designation. Nazism included features that would conventionally be considered left-wing, features that would be conventionally considered right-wing plus plenty of features which don't really fit in to either category. Nazism is/was Nazism. Calling it left-wing is no less a lie as calling it right-wing and, I suspect, done with exactly the same motivation albeit in the opposite direction.
The Nazis made most of their political alliances on the right and they were a conservative party that was for traditional values, you know, like womenwere only good for pumping out more little soldiers. That's not left wing.
The roles they defined for gender and race were thoroughly traditional and conservative in the cultural sense. It's really not a matter of opinion.
He wasn't exactly friendly to left-wingers or atheists either. This whole Hitler argument is stupid either way.
Are you suggesting a movement has to be Christian to be right-wing? Being nationalistic, hierarchical, militaristic, and anti-liberal is not enough? The place of religion in an extreme right-wing government is religious/ethnic nationalism. The Nazis were more interested in Aryan nationalism. Fascism was called right-wing back when it existed because: a. it was extremely nationalistic. Left-wing governments of the time were individualistic and often globalist. Nationalism was practically the opposite of any left-wing ideology. b. it was hierarchical by nature, the opposite of leftist socialism and anarchism. c. Fascists sought to destroy left-wing movements Nowadays it seems silly to even argue about it. The Nazis were so far right that they are off the modern-day spectrum (at least in regards to mainstream politics).
I would agree that the Nazis weren't right at all, but they weren't left either. The Fuhrer got that mix close to perfect, but this attack on religion was a bit of a step backwards. That's why I would called myself a Reformed Nazi rather than a pure Nazi or a neo-Nazi
National socialism was build on the "Führer-Prinzip" as it is called in German. It means that the Führer (or leader) is the central cult figure and he doesn't need competition from someone like Jesus. This was more done as a propaganda and political tool though than out of shear conviction. The antisemitism comes from a christian culture anyway. Being Christian doesn't mean right wing. Remember during the time of the Nazi regime religion was not outlawed and the Christian system remained in tact. Hitler - or rather Goebbels - saw the competition factor in religion. If a deep christian policy is pursued, policies coming from high ranking religious figures get additional credit.
Well the thing is the CATHOLIC church (im a Catholic so no hate) tends to be extremely conservative/right wing. In Europe, specifically Western Europe, its pretty normal to be either Catholic or Protestant, both quite right wing, and in the same defense of those who say that the Jews killed Christ, well everyone in that area was Jewish, so you cant really be pointing fingers. It'd be like some guy dying in Africa and then everyone being like, the Africans killed him. Sure, it might be true, but no matter what, they were all Africans anyways so you cant blame the whole group. Anti-Semitism isn't a solely Christian belief, nor can the fact that a lot of people who were Nazis were also Christian be blamed on Christianity in general.
While it is true that religious policies (practically independent from affiliation) tend to be right wing, there are always exceptions. While it is true that the christian traditions aren't solely to blame for antisemitism, they play a fundamental role when it comes to Germany and the antisemitism which culminated with the Nazis. Being antisemitic wasn't really all that bad at that time you have to understand, because the Jews were blamed as soon as something was wrong. It happened in the middle ages when the black death appeared in Europe and countless Jews were killed in rampages and this type of a pogrom type environment tended to repeat itself every couple of centuries ore more often. When some Jews saw the Nazis for the first time, they thought that this was just another pogrom phase which would pass, just like it had happened before in Europe countless times. After WW1 the blame for Germany loosing the war hit the Jews (although the average jewish German soldier was higher decorated with medals of bravery than their fellow christian comrades). With the great depression a big antisemitic wave hit again. These examples are true for many regions in the world. The great depression created antisemitism in America as well for example. As soon as something was wrong, the Jews were blamed, and unfortunately this had a deep tradition within Christian Europe. I haven't researched Jewish communities in Arabic countries, but I did study a few examples in Europe. But back to topic. The antisemitism had roots which had been established way prior to the Nazis. They just adapted that disgusting policy. Religion played a role for the Nazi regime for a short time, but in the end Hitler saw that him as a person being the character of worship was much better than the people worshipping Jesus. He forbade the worship of his parents though, maybe because he was worried people would find out that his parents were related... The important part but surely was, that Hitler didn't want any opposition. And religious opposition is still opposition. Therefore the approval from the regime of the various religious institutions was mild at best.
