Why I will be ignoring all "atheists" on this forum.

Exactly, but before they are judged they are going to be allowed to see the pain they have caused to the poor unfortunate souls they took down with them. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for all the money in The world.

 

There is nothing dangerous on earth then moral relativism, nothing comes even close.

 

Sooner with all due respect I disagree with your comment on atheists feeling like they are backed into a corner, I know many evangelical Protestants and while some may be loud and pushy they don't even come close to the behavior of the aggressive atheists who follow the example of hitchens and Dawkins.

I also disagree with you calling all conservative Christians anti-science and you talk about all creationists as if they are loonies. You also made the claim that pro science, anti creationist christians were left/wing and normal.


I am a practicing catholic and I was a theistic evolutionist until about a year ago when I made the switch completely to intelligent design. I am also an old earth creationist. I'll explain why I moved awayfrom evolution(more specifically macroevolution). All I read in my high school and college biology textbooks was how all life descended from a one cell living form as if it was the gospel truth. It didn't sink in until many years later when I decided to research this with an open mind, and I found out that there is almost no scientific proof at all for this assertion, just the establishment of biologists that had a materialistic worldview that wanted me to accept his dogmatic faith in neo Darwinism and call it science as if he proved it.

The intelligent design community just wants schools to teach kids alternative views so that they could stack these views together and come up with a intelligent decision of their own as to which they believe.

Your statements make it seem that the evolutionists don't have an agenda to push on the young. I also don't see anything wrong with prayer in schools as we are a majority Christian nation. If a child doesn't want to pray he can should have the choice not to, butlike it or not this nation was built upon the foundation of Christian principles and morals. It's arrogant for anyone to believe that the minority should be allowed to force the majority not to have prayer in class and even deny them the right to do this.

If schools are allowed to teach the fairy tale of macro evolution then why not offer a viable alternative like intelligent design.

Joseph needham, the famous sinnologist (who was an atheist himself) always wondered why scientific achievements exploded in the west in the 16th and 17thcentury as opposed to stagnating I china, and after man years of research he bitterly came to the conclusion that this happened becaus scientists from the Christian worldview of the west naturally anticipated the Christian God would endow nature and the universe with harmony and laws that we would find through logic and the scientific method. The worldview of the funded had no such belief.

The liberals are the ones with a materialistic world view that limits are ability to Explain reality n any other way than by a materialistic conclusion.

Sooner if your one of those that is looking for a breadcrumb of tangible evidence I would suggest studying the shroud of turin. You might have a life altering view of Christianity. It is the only 2d image on earth with 3d and holographic informatiOn on it.

Ok I spoke mind ( wheeeew sorry for the rambling lol)

 

Indeed, in Western societies it is dangerous for a man to rape a woman, but in Sharia country it is dangerous for a woman to be raped by a man.

If only your moral values applied to all it would be better. For you.

 

That's why I'm considering not to respond to evangelical Protestants and the like so that they can rightfully reclaim the throne of aggressive behavior.

I know how you feel. I also realized how everyone wanted me to believe in gravity so I decided to research it with an open mind and finally made a complete switch from the theory of gravity to my own ideas. I now float freely.

 

Ignoring the atheists will leave them alone & unsupervised in the sandbox....how lonely they would be w/o anyone to hate.....<sniff>

 

Unsupervised is a tragedy. Without adult supervision, little children eat the little prizes they dig up from the sand after the cats in the neighborhood have used it for a litter box.

 

lol

This thread is very definition of "fear based doctrine".

Despite the denials, they always seem to confirm my arguments.

 

I agree, it would seem as if the OP mainly says that he will ignore those who he perceive as annoying, which then combines with the fact that people in general seem more annoying when they focus on you than on others.

 

Splendid comment Talk about folks playing in their own small sandboxes.

 

Disease would beg to differ. Malaria, in the 20th century alone, killed between 80m and 250m people. In the same time period, smallpox killed around 300m. The Spanish Influenza, which was only around for a mere 2 years, killed some 50-100m. Tuberculosis in the past century has killed some 40-100m people. Just those four diseases killed some where between 470 million and 750 million people. For comparison, the four worst wars of the 20th century (even though large fractions of the dead from those wars were due to these very same diseases) only gets us up to 148 million (for WWII, WWI, the Russian Civil War, and the Second Congo War).

So, if you were being serious, you are rather ignorant of the facts.

 

Way to take someones quote out of context to serve your purpose.

The point they are tryng to get across here is that the atheist community ion the internet tend to be HELL BENT on trying to prove theist wrong rather than have a scholarly debate. Your statement only proves this where instead of an actual response you took a jab at them. This is where the stereotype that athiests do nothing but hate comes from.

People who do things such as this are the exact reason there is so much hate over the issue. You seem to think that because a thiest believes in god they are attacking you and so you take a jab at them simply based on that rather than facts.It has come to a point where I no longer consider myself an atheist but rather an agnostic (that leans towards atheism) simply because I am EMBARESSED of the hate filled mongrels I find claiming to represent atheism.

A a die-hard athiest is just as ignorant as a die-hard thiest. Be open to people's opinions or else you are more or less shunning knowledge and enlightenment.

 

Another incredibly ignorant argument. Desease doesnt kill us spiritually does it? Its obvious that the children playing in the sandbox statement applies perfectly to this post. We live in a finite universe and desease unfortunately is part of it, and I should know as I have experienced the pain of a desease once myself. What does it matter if you lived your whole life desease free if your going to suffer in pain for all of eternity. Next time understand the fullness of the argument before making a reflex cracker jack box atheist response.

 

Like I said a few times before on other forums, there are some evidences that can start you off on a journey towards an answer. I find the shroud of Turin is a great place to start as it gives the initial breadcrumb trail to anyone that needs to start off with something meaty that they can actually see or touch (as the sturp scientists touched themselves).

As paul said in the new testament " let us reason together"

 

Actually it does apply to all, this is why I am a christian and this is why I follow the ten commandments. Bringing islam up has nothing to do with christianity. your saying that because there are many different religions that one doesnt lead to the truth which is a very shallow argument at that. Not only that buts its an argument from a lazy person that isnt willing to try to search for the truth. Your assuming that every christian is a cradle christian and hasnt made that journey yet.

 

Again your misrepresenting what I said and meant which shows that youronly twisting it to make your worldview look more palitable and someone elses worldview look less palitable. Sneaky and deceptive, the exact kind of thing that comes from a person with no objective moral foundation.

True there are some evangelicals that are agressive, but they dont spend nearly as much time rediculing others and thinking about them as the atheist forums I have seen. Infidels is one such area where ad homs come in daily as sport. I mean the name itself should tell you something about them.

Now if you feel that you float around freely that isnt the fault of gravity is it? Its the fault of someone that applied faulty reasoning.

 

As child we were taught attrition in many areas of our life because we were to young to understand the implications of our actions. Fear of God is a good thing ,not a bad thing. I was at a catholic bible study and our mentor has a dual phd in math and mechanical engineering and he came out with a statement that stuck in my mind even today. "attrition leads to contrition"

Fear of God is good in that you understand the consequences of what will happen when you freely choose to separate yourself from him. Contrition (love of God) happens when you understand how much he loves you .

So your one liner response again doesnt give the full detail as anyone who truely understands God knows that his is a love that surpasses anything in this universe and we who understand this crave so much to be closer to him each and every day of our lives. To us living without God is mere existence, Living with him is true life.

 

Anyone who passionately follows their worldview is a religion. We are not talking about mild atheists that dont care one way or another are we? Most of the posts I see on this board are coming from religious atheists. You can play with words as much as you want but if it quacks like a duck. You get it im sure.

 

You have to understand how ridiculous this argument sounds to a non-believer however.
There is no way to substantiate "spiritual death." No way.

Think about just how that sounds.
You are able to throw aside the impact of disease, something that visibly creates suffering and death, simply by alluding to something that, to the person you are talking to, might as well have come right out of your head.

How is it a failure on his part?
You are asserting something unfounded and unsupportable.

 

Don't know why you have to bring up the word religious. Religion has several definitions, ie, one cannot really determine what the words religion and religious mean.

I was once what you call a "religious atheist". But I wasn't being a dick about it. No more than I am now.

If it quacks like a duck, we look it up in a book. If it then turns up not to be a duck, then it's not a duck.

I'll bet that any zoologists and ornithologists disagree with the duck saying. The ones playing with words are people who take phrases like "Anyone who passionately follows their worldview is a religion" out of the air, don't you agree?

 

I am not an Atheist so you can talk to me.

Just as you claim that many atheists are not true athiests, I claim that many Christian organizations do not follow Christ.

What gets me is that when I bring up examples of un Christian behavior and beliefs, some folks want to demonize me by calling me an atheist.

Demonizing people because they expressed a different opinion or presented evidence that was contrary to dogmatic beliefs is what led to horrible atrocities committed by Christians in the past.

I am on a Crusade to stop this from happening again despite what folks want to lable me.

 

Awww, some religions don't lead to your truth and yet people of those religions aren't even going to try to search for your truth? Dang people who are not like you. Dang them to your hell.

 

It only tells me something about you, to be honest.

Surely your "complete switch" to intelligent design is a gain and not a fault?

 

Nice one line answers, and the atheists here wonder why the op is ignoring them, but I will eventuallylet you guys have the last word because you will go into an infinite regression of mindless one line comebacks until I get bored lol.

Surely it is because to think that life can arise spontaneously from non life is rediculous not because I just dont believe in it but because the math doesnt add up. Even evolutionary biologists say this but because they are married to their worldview against anything that is non neo-darwinist they have to say that no matter how improbable it is it must have happened. Dawkins is famous for this saying and it was also taught to me in my biology classes as fact lol.