Ron Paul Supporters:

I don't doubt that at all; stubborn as a mule and dumb as one too. Intellectuals will consider changing their perspectives once they've exhausted all their argumentative points, but you just keep barking up that old tree. I think the rest of us are going to move along, you've been barking it up for "decades" and still can't offer us anything substantial. How depressing.

 

What could possibly be more direct ?

Name a more direct way of lending money to the Government that is realistic?

 

here's an example of what a direct bank loan looks like

congress goes to the federal reserve and asks to borrow money

the fed then lends them money at a prescribed rate and amount

but, this is not permitted, because the fed can't lend congress money

your characterizations are whacky, people need to know about ron paul's racism

 

Well, the problem with Paul is that he's right and people don't want to hear it. You're right that he can't win because he can't get media time. But That's not because people wouldn't like his message if they ever got to here it, it's because most people have never heard it. And that has more to do with the structure of Washington designed to prevent any real discussion of third party politics than anything else.

 

He is always right ?
I am the missing link. Deal with it.

Your guy in his 3 turd presidential cycle AND is in it for the Money.
My direct allegations.
He takes in large sums of money..Spends what 60 % ?
and gives about 20 % to fellow POT head friends who do the same thing.
The rest of the money he uses to pay off his campaign expenditures and the final 5- 8 % he POCKETS.
FOR WHAT END ?
He's done this 3 times now..never close to being elected..each time saying and doing exactly the same thing.
Going after those who feel both Republicans and democrats have let them down..,never realizing Paul has done it 2 times before.
I mean it would be like Granny donating to save the whales..( because it is always the right thing to do ) and finding out later that 20 cents out of every dollar she donated went to the lifestyle of some guy in a nice boat documenting whale hunting. The whales still got hunted and killed..but granny felt better ?
Nice political game Paul has going for him..
Always throwing harpoons at the enemy..and always being destroyed at the hunt.
There are other ways to slay the evil whale hunters than Paul's way..his is not the only way..I choose the Romney way.

Paul would slay and Kill evil government programs..( more than he would our enemies abroad ) without experience and results of him ever doing so..

Romney would regulate and control government the right way..something HE has done before.
But there are many more straw polls coming up..more chances for Paul's harpoon dollars. You can never have enough money.
ASK PAUL.

 

Prove that he pockets money. So what if he has run three times? A Consistent Message is wrong no wonder you support Romney (Hahahaha)! How has he let anyone down? Your whale analogy is terrible. You keep saying "Experience" and "Results" yet you can't seem to comprehend it's Ron Paul and few versus the entire House. Maybe you need open your eyes a bit more.

How would Romney regulate/control Government the right way? He doesn't change much with his plans and doesn't take any real stances on much at all. He is a "Maybe" kind of Guy who you'll vote for simply because he may or may not do something drastic in terms of Foreign/Economic Policy. He is a typical Status Quo Politician.

 

From wiki..You read between the lines..

" Ron Paul & Associates (RP&A), Inc. was initiated during 1984 by Paul, who served as President. Llewellyn H Rockwell Jr. served as Vice President, Ron Paul's wife Carol served as Secretary and Lori Pyeatt as Treasurer. The corporation was dissolved during 2001.[49][50][51][52] In 1985 Ron Paul & Associates began publishing The Ron Paul Investment Letter[53] and The Ron Paul Survival Report;[20][54] it added the more controversial Ron Paul Political Report during 1987.[55] Many articles lacked a byline, yet often invoked Paul's name or persona."

Why was it dissolved ?
Because it failed. ..under Paul's brilliant leadership
Strike 1.

Paul considered campaigning for President during 1992,[59] but instead chose to endorse Pat Buchanan that year, and served as an adviser to his Republican presidential campaign against incumbent President George H. W. Bush.[60]

Actually Paul didn't endorse McCain either..or any other Republican.
Poor leadership..always endorsing a losing guy . Not quite the ringing Paul prediction ability is it ?
Strike 2.

Paul authors more bills than the average representative, such as those that impose term limits, or abolish the income tax[90] or the Federal Reserve; many do not escape committee review.

Gee let's end whale hunting. Under Paul's leadership NOTHING he authors gets DONE. There is ZERO evidence as president he would be able to do more.
Foul tip..
with all this stuff going on ..wars , national debt..Our brilliant leader Paul does this.

During June 2011, Paul co-sponsored a bill with U.S. Representative Barney Frank that is intended to end the federal prohibition of marijuana.[101]

Great leadership shown there.. Talk about sleeping with the enemy..
Strike 3.
But seniors get a mulligan so...Golf term of free swing..

Paul's campaign showed "surprisingly strong" fundraising[114] with several record-breaking events. He had the greatest rate of military contribution for 2008,[115][116] and donations coming from individuals,[117] aided significantly by an online presence and very active campaigning by endorsers,[118] who organized "moneybomb" fundraisers acquiring millions of dollars during several months. Such fundraising earned Paul the status of having raised more than any other Republican candidate during 2007's fourth-quarter.[119] Paul's name was a number-one web search term as ranked by Technorati, beginning around May 2007.[120] He has had more YouTube subscriptions since May 20, 2007 than any other candidate.[121]

NOW for the MONEY..

On June 12, 2008, Paul withdrew his bid for the Republican nomination, citing his resources could be better spent on improving America. Some of the $4 million remaining campaign contributions was invested into the new political action and advocacy group called Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.[139] Paul told the newsmagazine NOW on PBS the goal of the Campaign for Liberty is to "spread the message of the Constitution and limited government, while at the same time organizing at the grassroots level and teaching pro-liberty activists how to run effective campaigns and win elections at every level of government."[140]

End.

The fact he never released the money to a charity..or to the republican party for other Conservative candidates to benefit is the concern.
Paul is for Paul..PERIOD.HE WAS ALREADY BEING PAID BY TAX PAYERS as a congress person..he had a job..He could reach the young people in that position.

Forming a shadow organisation with his wife as executive officer is one of the oldest sleaziest plays in history.Then what that company did is WAY worst than what Bain Capitol did while Romney was the head guy.
Leadership is measured by examples.
Paul has failed in several areas.What was printed..who was terminated for doing so..allowing for the same stuff to be published TWICE.

Strike 3.
You're OUT !
Leadership by example..he has failed..over and over..

Now he has said he will retire from congress after THIS RUN..
where will all this cycles money go ?
To PAUL..
It is the Texas way.

 

So your basis is that since he didn't have a running start with credit, didn't have a 5 Star Business, didn't pick people based on % to win but rather their Philosophy, diverted the left overs of his campaign finance to push for an Agenda that everyone who donated agreed with, didn't release the money to charity when it was donated to push for the ideology he was representing not to be used for canned food and clearly based on what you consider leadership you think he is a failure. Cool... Anything else you feel like adding before you start salivating again in a different Romney/Ron Paul thread? I'm glad I don't judge someone's character based on if they were successful in terms of picking the winning side. Clearly any discussion with you doesn't go anywhere other than the trash bin of human ignorance. Good luck in your life.

 

And you've been trying "for decades" to prove it. So sad.

 

what's sad is the way ron paul panders to racists, miscreants and malcontents

 

prove it, please im begging you to prove it!!!

 

The more I read your increasingly disturbing posts and how you obsess SO much about a man you obviously hate...the more I wonder if someone like Mark David Chapman felt about John Lennon as you obviously do about Ron Paul.

There are tons of politicians I think are terrible for America...but I don't hate any of them or obsess the tinniest of fractions about them as much as you seem to over Ron Paul.

I mean dujac just posts short little nothing posts that few (if any) take seriously.

But you post long-winded, extensively researched (though misinterpreted), detailed posts spewing forth bile, anger and hatred at some guy that simply wants to be President.

Get a hobby man...seriously.

Or a dog, a cat, a girlfriend, a boyfriend, a friend, a goldfish...anything...something...

 

of course you're going to deny that ron paul panders to you and your kind

 

Added it to the forums, how to win Iowa. Check it out:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/215542-yes-he-can-how-help-ron-paul-win-iowa-call-stump-organize.html#post4670272

 

Wow..been a long time since I have been here lurking about....some here have some um...issues...so I didn't read the whole long thread..

I'll just post my support of Ron Paul 2012....he's certainly making more sense than any of the other candidates.

 

God that would be awesome. Johnson 2012; if not then Paul 2012!

 

BTW here is a recent ongoing online poll:

http://www.usnews.com/polls/who-is-your-pick-for-the-gop-2012-nomination/results.html

 

No, Romney is never going to win. Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate that will attract non-Republicans to vote for him. For example, I was a liberal-leaning moderate before I discovered Ron Paul. Ron Paul transcends political parties, Romney doesn't.

 

I don't agree. I'm Jewish, and I am a Ron Paul supporter, as is my entire immediate family. Unfortunately, there's a lot of Jews that are open minded until he mentions cutting off foreign aid to Israel, then they completely shut out Ron Paul and automatically dismiss him as a candidate. Once people see the logic behind his decision, they come around, but most simply don't want to hear his message.

About the civil rights act, Ron Paul has said he would have voted against it, but I don't see that as relevant. Do I disagree with him on that? Of course. I don't blindly follow Paul, and there's always going to be some things I disagree with him on. There are other things, however, that I would love to see go away immediately, such as Affirmative Action, which is discriminatory and should be done away with immediately.

A lot of people try to label Ron Paul as racist, when in-fact, he just wants to promote a color-blind society. When a white Christian male gets screwed out of a job because of affirmative action because someone else was considered a minority, despite not being as qualified, it causes anger. That anger leads to racism.

Anyway, now I'm on a tangent. But really, don't count out Paul just yet, because he has more support from "minorities" than you think. I've noticed a lot of anti-Paul people seem to like to bring up racism when they can't argue with Paul's views on the actual issues. BTW, I find it strange that you listed "women" as one of the groups against him. Have you seen clips of Ron Paul rallies? They're jam packed with women.

 

here's one from 2008, with a higher number for ron paul:

AZ straw poll held tonight Ron Paul wins with 80%

80% - Ron Paul
12% - John McCain
3% - Mitt Romney
2.5% - Other - Not Specified
1% - Rudy Giuliani
1% - Fred Thompson
.5% - Mike Huckabee
0% - Duncan Hunter

http://www.dailypaul.com/24365/az-straw-poll-held-tonight-ron-paul-wins-with-80


here is the arizona gop primary election result:

Candidate............Votes.....Percentage...Delegates
John McCain....... 255,197..... 47.17%..... 50
Mitt Romney....... 186,838..... 34.53%..... 0
Mike Huckabee... 48,849...... 9.03%....... 0
Ron Paul ..........22,692......4.19%.......0
Rudy Giuliani...... 13,658...... 2.52%....... 0
Fred Thompson... 9,492....... 1.75%....... 0
Duncan Hunter.... 1,082....... 0.20%....... 0
Alan Keyes............970........ 0.18%...... 0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Republican_primary,_2008


the bottom line is that non-scientific polls are most often inaccurate

here are what more dependable polls indicate: 7-9% for an average of 8.2%



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

in reality, people aren't blind to race

ron paul panders to miscreants, malcontents and nut cases


Congressman Ron Paul and the Jews 


Accepting donations from White Supremacists, and Accusing the Mossad of trying to blow up the World Trade Center. - Steve Rabin
In one of the most sad, cynical, and disgusting moments of the 2008 presidential campaign, the Associated Press is reporting that Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has refused to return a campaign contribution from Don Black, who runs a vicious White Supremacist website.



http://www.pjvoice.com/v32/32104paul.aspx

 

But just like Ron Paul supporters and the man himself..
They choose to ignore the past..the present and the future and focus instead on the make believe.
Instead of Grim fairy tales we get Paul Polls...
Instead of advocating the killing of our enemies..we get a guy who says bring everyone home..leave everyone else out to dry.
let the world fall deeper into UNCONTROLLED CHAOS..we will stand tall on principle and character. ( his )
This Paul/judas is willing to just sacrifice our gains..our strengths..and surrender to a religious zealot type of political theory..That a greater right will always prevail over darkness.
What he advocates has never been done in a state of war..in fact what he wants leads to war.
Being weak abroad and with a weakened military would only invite more terrorist ..not less.

But Paul does lead in the latest Arab terrorist for Tea Poll conducted in a unspecified location.With over 500 Muslim terrorist most likely to attack America next year Paul won with 90 % of the vote..Johnson was 2nd with 8 % and the final 2% blew themselves up while delivering their vote.
The poll was paid for By Paul for Idiots.. non profit organisation created to dismantle America.

 

What on Earth are you going on about now?

 

So rather than use the money they gave him to promote liberty and his ideas of a free market and a non-interventionist foreign policy, you think he should give the money back to Black, and help pay the monthly dues for Stormfront?

 

Ron Paul doesn't want to cut defense, he wants to cut our spending abroad. You have to differentiate the two, they are not one in the same. Why do you think he's gotten more active military contributions than all of the other Republican candidates combined, and more than Obama? Because the military knows the current situation over there, they know the reasons the terrorists attack us, and they support Ron Paul. What does that tell you? Do you think you know more about the situation in the middle east than the military?

And LOL at "But Paul does lead in the latest Arab terrorist for Tea Poll conducted in a unspecified location". If you are referring to the Illinois straw poll he just won, that poll was conducted by the Illinois Republican Party, and the locations were not "unspecified". The polling locations were made known to anyone who wanted to show up in person.

You're also ignoring the fact that we face a much more imminent threat from our failing economy than we do from any terrorist attack. We can't afford to keep doing this.

 

you have to be very naive to think ron paul's ideas about freedom are anything more than propaganda and misinformation