Questions For Those Who Believe Homosexuality Is A Chosen Behavior

Okay, you don't have to believe I'm more educated, but I do have the ability and right to fight you and your ideas about this. I will always remain active in promoting justice as I see it; even using the same legal and political tools that those of your mindset surely would.

That's YOUR 'perception'. And if nothing else, you are free to disagree with me.

Okay, if you see it that way; even so, you can disagree or refute whatever. I'm NOT here to agree with you, considering the conclusions you prefer to espouse.

Well, I'm sure many who know plenty of science (unadulterated) would disagree with things I've seen you state here in this forum. Ultimately, I'm fighting for the rights of ALL Americans, and will NEVER support discrimination against homosexual people. If you use "science" to promote the same, you'll be fought by millions of people (as you should be, IMO).

There is more research going on now about human sexuality than you or I have covered here. In any case, I realize where your opinions rest; and we disagree for the most part. That's fine.

You are incorrect. Actually I was addressing what I perceived to be an inaccuracy you stated before. In any case, it was your OPINION which you stated about mental health services in general. I simply disagree with your opinions and stated what I thought was more the actual reality. We disagree, and I suspect we'll continue to, despite our individual knowledge, experiences or views.

And I do have to admit that people CAN/DO over-think much of this issue. Either HOMOSEXUAL people deserve the same rights as Americans, or they do not. Not only that, they will CONTINUE to FIGHT for equal rights; which to most people is a reasonable thing to do. If science proves this/that about homosexuality, it will ultimately be beside the actual point which most gay people seek to promote.

The "genetic research" hasn't ended... yet you assert a view which tends to give that impression. The research s ongoing, Val. I'm in no "dream world", but I know you wish that I was. Again, the reality is that the conclusions you seem to promote here, are at least questionable.

In the meantime, the political and legal battles for gay rights, will go on.

And also the 'grey', embedded within your opinions. Fine, this forum is all about discussing and debating opinions; that shall continue.

The "hoax" is that you suggest any/all genetic research has ended... it has not. Scientific research goes on, despite the conclusions you have landed upon of your own volition.

That is, your claims and arguments here, DO NOT shut down all other views which oppose your views. Your arguments aren't as water-tight as you tend to suggest they are. Even so, you do have the right to share your views.

I've never seen any real science which claims ANY single cause for 'homosexuality'. I have read most credible scientific opinions (including the APA's) which tend to agree that MANY factors are likely the cause of homosexuality. You are stuck on the "gay gene" thing, and I never have been. You can look throughout this entire forum, and I doubt you'll see me making the claim that homosexuality is caused 'solely' by a "gene".

(See the above.)

You aren't about science; you are warping those views in your own mind, and claiming it is science. Get real.

 

Interesting stuff.

 

More Ongoing Research

 

lol, what does any of the above have to do with what I said?

 

Things I surely was aware of before this thread.

 

My hat is off to you, sir. This post is so outstanding that I must put some of it in for all to see without having to read the whole paper:

Conclusion
The scientific community realises that “our genes do not make us
do it”. Hamer has always believed that. To give him the last word:
“There will never be a test that will say for certain whether a child
will be gay. We know that for certain.”16 This means as clearly as
anyone could state, that no-one is born gay.

 

If no one is born gay, and no one chooses to be gay, how do people become gay?

 

Finally we can move on to the USSA and what it means to the discussion. Unwanted Same Sex Attractions (USSA). This is a great topic for school children.

USSA awareness can substantially help society. The "Just Say No" campaign was very helpful for teaching children about the consequences of habituation. It's extremely important for kids to understand how the mind works when it comes to addiction.

While addiction studies show that one bad choice often leads to another, it's equally important to understand the stacking effect of a series of bad choices. The more you do drugs, the more you like drugs until you end up losing all perspective.

 

What the hell does drug addiction have to do with homosexuality?

 

Now that is an excellent question. Studies have shown that if a person masturbates to a car tire, they will eventually learn to become aroused when they see a car tire.

When it comes to understanding habituation, most agree that addicts don't start with the intention of becoming addicted. They fail to grasp the power of repeated drug usage, or for that matter, the power of repeatedly choosing soft drinks instead of more healthy drinks.

Since I've become addicted to things in my life just like everyone else, I have learned to respect the incredible, overwhelming power of addiction. Once you understand how the mind works vis-a-vis addiction, then you can work it to your own benefit.

 

I understand the sensitivity to anything negative being associated with homosexuality. I did not intend to focus on drug addiction per se, but rather to focus on the topic of addiction itself. It's hard to find a more powerful addiction than drugs to use for comparison.

 

Please, this is just BS.

Do you think/believe a person chooses their sexual-orientation?

If you do actually answer (and you think it is more than your opinion)... please prove your answer.

I am of the (belief) opinion that no one chooses their sexual-orientation.

 

It's all upbringing that's of no consciousness to the child. It can't be birth because a child has no idea what is supposed to arouse them; a boy learns that boobs turn him on when they turn his dad on. Simple as that.

That said, the recent rise in gay kids can be linked to the growing role of the mom in the house, as many kids grow up without a father figure to look up to. They learn with their moms only (who like boys(mostly)).

 

Is it a Pedophiles fault that he was born a Pedophile?

Ok so they're both genetic abnormalities or defects. Lets get together and find a cure for both. Or at minimum lets find a test that will discover them while still in the womb so we can abort them.

Problem solved.

 

Really? Upbringing? I know that is your opinion, but Lord knows you'd be very wealthy if you could prove it.

LOL!! Are you serious??!! My Dad was a horn-dog for Mom!! And I am as gay as anyone could be. I see "boobs" and they look like mounds of well-sculpted flesh to me; but I get nothing 'sexual' from them at all. I know and always knew that most guys love 'em.

That is just BS. I want you to prove that one too. LOL!!

No. This is really stupid stuff you're saying.

 

Ask that about rapists and other criminals; it might be interesting. However, comparing pedophiles and rapists with homosexuality is ridiculous.

Really? You know this? Proof please.

Actually, we need to find a cure for the kind of STUPIDITY you're relating here. Why don't you donate to this website? It'll be a good cause.

Now, don't be upset when the kinds of things you say, full of irrational animus and hatred... swing back your way to affect you and yours in some way. You are shaping this world, by the very things you say; you and your children (or any you care about) will live in it.

Remember what I just shared above.

 

Why do kids in pain cut themselves?

Perhaps it is some kind of psychosexual self mutilation. I wonder if there has ever been a study on the % of self-mutilators who are gay.

(googles)

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ip-between-self-injury-and-sexual-orientation
Hardly shocking I am not the first to question it. Pretty ambiguous as to the representation... I will keep looking. I mean... you asked for a logical answer.

 

It was not long ago that many states had laws making it illegal for a black to marry a white. Those stupid laws were eliminated by FEDERAL MANDATE and the stupid laws against homosexual marriage will go the same way.

 

The percent of insanity on this thread is just toooooo high.

 

I was replying to someone who said

ie if it isn't a choice it's a genetic abnormality or defect. You only have the two choices; choice or genetics.

 

2. I did donate look at the top right of the screen. Now instead of demanding that I donate why don't you. You don't have the donate tag showing that you donated so what the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you on my case about it for?

You are a hypocrite. oh and a rule violator calling me names and stuff.

 

Answer:Many people are stupid and illogical, and make choices which reflect that.

No. I also don't believe that piercing your septum provides more pleasure than refraining from doing so, but some people choose to do that, too. See answer to question 1. Just because something is self-destructive does not mean that it is not a choice. It just means that it is a bad choice.

 

I'd suggest there's one more category: those who form a habit without intending to do so. Sexual addictions are rampant in the world of Internet porn. It's very clear today that both homosexuals and those who support them do not want the reality of habituation to enter into the discussion at all. I'm not ready to remove all sympathy for the condition, even when the victims are well aware of the dangerous habit forming nature of orgasms while fixating on Same Sex Attractions (SSA's).

 

Then it would be a choice. But I believe it's a genetic abnormality or defect.

 

In ANY case... the irrational animus, lack of equality and discrimination which homosexuals face, do not 'hinge' upon those things you list above.

Homosexual people and their advocates are right to fight for equality of rights and protection under the law. No one is going to give up until that is achieved.