Israel to attack Iran by Christmas – report

Since the days of Maggie Thatcher, we have become America-lite....unfortunately!

 

29 TOR M-1 missile systems with 8 missiles each and an accuracy rate of over 90% provides the theoretical capability of shooting down of up to 200 aircraft. True that not all of these mobile missile systems would be able to target the incoming aircraft but they are highly sophisticated systems that are virtually jam proof and even 1/3 of them could possibly take out 75 fighers in a matter of seconds. Iran is not Egypt in 1967 and isn't Syria even today. It has a very good state of the art air defense system and I wouldn't want to be flying into that beehive with anything other than a stealth bomber.

Isreal could very well get it's arse handed to it on a platter if it attacks. It also has to be concerned with a very real possibility of Iran's capability to launch missiles that can hit Israel. These are not inaccurate scud missiles but accurate intermediate range ballistic missiles. If Israel were to attack I would anticipate an Iranian response and open war in the Middle East. It would not be just Israel v Iran as I would anticipate other Muslim nations, even Sunni nations, also declaring war on Israel. We saw in Iraq that Sunnis and Shia will unite against a common enemy and I would anticipate that. Iraq, which is predominately Shia, would probably join Iran in a war against Israel for example. Syria and Lebanon would probably join in and possibly Egypt, Jordan and perhaps even Turkey. It could turn into one hell-of-a blood bath and could even lead to the ultimate destruction of Israel. Past victories by Israel in no way indicate that they couldn't easily lose everything if they start a war in the Middle East.

 

In my view, Iran are not taking any offensive action here, but Israel will be. They are hitting first, so they are performing an offensive action (it may well be that the best for of defense IS offense, but that still shows that the action taken is offensive).

Israel may well be overstretching. Iran is no Iraq - the last nuclear reactor they hit. Iran will be able to influence the ME response much better than Iraq ever could.


As for the US involvement... I think we are overstretched as it is, with serious debt issues. A sustained and supported war would cause major issues.

 

wishful thinking much?

Arab leaders urged US to attack Iran, says WikiLeaks

'Quiet' Arab coalition supports attack on Iran

 

The king of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates don't represent much Muslim support for an attack and with Mubarak gone what he said years ago isn't really relevant. Additionally all of these countries wanted the US to do it and not Israel. There is a fundamtental difference between a US attack and an Israeli attack.

 

Fair enough but the main point of it is that the arab regimes (all of them including the new Egyptian military junta) are extremely concerned with Iran's nuclear ambitions and worry about nuclear Iran and its role in the Middle East far more than they ever will about tiny besieged civilized Israel. Needless to say they will never openly support an Israeli attack on Iran, they will just quietly look the other way and likely provide as much assistance to Israel behind the scenes as they possibly can... like for example not "noticing' Israeli jets in their airspace during the mission. The Arab street will of course be enraged but it always is and it's never a factor.

 

Who is Israel besieged by? Remind us...

 

by 23 arab states that occupy 99.8% of the regional land, outnumber Israel by 75 to 1 ratio, are in de-jure state of war with Israel (some of them) and don't recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state in the Middle East. The governments' and the populations' hatred of Israel is the only thing they agree on. And that's just the arab world, I did not include non-arab muslim states (like Iran) hostile to Israel.

 

Very good, but being bordered by =/= being besieged by. Except, of course, in the mind of the paranoiac Zionist.
On the other hand the Gazans have every right to call themselves besieged by Israel which controls their every move.

 

That's not being beseiged, that's having neighbours.

Maybe if Israel wasn't the kind of neighbour who deserved ASBOs, and would have been rehoused years ago if they lived on a UK housing scheme, they wouldn't be so worried about the neighbours finally losing the rag with their troublemaking.

Not recognising Israel's right to exist has, to my knowledge, not actually stopped Israel existing, has it?

Countries, like people earn the hostility they attract..........ever considered for one nano-second that Israel is as much, if not more, to blame for their situation than anybody else but the UK and US?

 

The Gazans were besieged by Israel (well not any more with the Egyptian border open), this was never in dispute and Israel supporters have always had intellectual honesty (ever heard of it) to acknowlege that. The point has always been that it's their own and their Hamas' governments' fault. Waging a war against a more powerful neighbor (which firing tens of thousands of rockets across the border is) does come at a price.

You on the other side don't have even an iota of intellectual honesty to recognize that tiny, grossly outnumbered Israel is besieged by 23 arab states (let alone non-arab muslims) that hate israel's guts and are waiting for a moment when they can try again to wipe it off the map.

 

Right...like a black family moving into a white neighborhood earns the hostility it attracts. That's pretty much what Israel did, it was created in a 'wrong' neighborhood. And nothing short of Israel's suicide (military or demographic) can stop this hostility.

 

Outnumbered physically, yes, but not as far as arms are concerned. And Israel is not remotely 'besieged'; not even in your wildest imaginings. Is it prevented from trading, are its population prevented from leaving or returning, are its food, water, power and medical supplies controlled externally?

 

Oh please, cut this word parsing nonsense. You can be besieged by journalists, you can be besieged in your office... The term 'besieged' means to be surrounded by enemies and Israel is surrounded by enemies. Just because the enemies are not acting at this moment does not mean they are any less hostile to Israel and won't act whenever they sense a realistic chance of succeeding.

 

So it appears many have realized that israel is the bad guy of this pursuit.


no wonder israel gets 'wiped off the map'


How many will miss the bigots from israel on this site?


I wont!

 

I would disagree on two counts.

Saudi Arabia is concerned with Iran for reasons unrelated to the possibility of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon at some point in the future. This is the typical Sunni v Shia problem that exists between many Muslim nations. Iran, for example, has greatly expanded it's influence in the Middle East since the US overthrowing of the Sunni controlled government in Iraq.

Next is the fact that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations will not accept Israel attacking another Muslim state. We saw this during the 1991 Gulf War where the US had to go to great lenghts to prevent Israel from becoming involved as Israeli involvement would have lead to a breakdown of the Muslim nation backing for the Gulf War. Muslims may fight against each other but they will unite against Israel. Israel presented a greater threat to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War than Iraq.

Note: Of course Iraq didn't really threaten Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War as that was all propaganda. Iraq only invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields along the border.

 

For the love of Pete.don't go promulgating the wiping Israel off the map stuff as well....there are more than enough posters on here who are very glad to repeat it ad nauseam..without anybody actually coming out and saying it in a way to which they can....no make that will...take offence.

 

Right, be politically correct, keep pretending that wiping Israel off the map is not on agenda, this will help fool far more 'useful idiots' than your blunt truth about the real anti-Israel objectives of the arab world ever will.

 

We must realize that the Israeli blockade of Gaza ports was an open act of war and the firing of missiles at an enemy that is actively engaged in a war is not unacceptable. Now suicide attacks against a civilian population are unacceptable.

We can dispute the founding of Israel 'til hell freezes over but it does exist and can continue to exist but first it needs to deserve the recognition of other nations including the Muslim states. So far it has done nothing to deserve the respect and recognition of the Muslim states which places it in the position it's in. It can be done though but will Israel take the steps necessary to do this remains doubtful.

First and foremost it my acknowledge it's violations of the Rights of the non-Jewish population of Palestine which began prior to the founding of Israel. It must allow the Right of Return and allow a process for restoring the Right of Property for the non-Jewish population of Palestine. 18% of Israeli territorial land, as I understand it, was taken without compensation from non-Jewish landowners. The non-Jewish residents of what became Israel have a Right to Return to their homeland. Israel violated these Rights and needs to address them.

Next Israel need to address the territorial borders of Israel based upon the conditions of the 1949 Armestice with Jordan. It needs to start with the territory established by UNGA Resolution 181 which was the document cited in the Israeli Declaration of Independence and then negotiate any addtional land to be added to the nation of Israel with the Palestinian People. The 1967 borders are not acceptable as a "beginning point" as much of that was occupied land that even Israel agreed did not belong to Israel in 1949.

These measures could and would win the respect and recognition of Israel by it's Muslim neighbors but I don't see that happening today. I'm not sure if anything short of this would win the respect and recognition of the Muslim nations though and Israel does not have the Right to demand respect and recognition that it doesn't deserve. That has been a sore spot in Israel's "negotiations" with the Palestinians. It demands respect and recognition without first doing anything that would deserve that respect and recognition. Israel has the cart ahead of the horse.

 

Iran has ambitions on the Arabian Peninsula and always have.. Conversely, KSA has No ambitions in Iran.

 

You are wrong, from the foundations of poisoned earth, only poisoned fruit grows.

Evil spawns evil.

 

I agree - it was.

So, best to take them out of that neighbourhood then, right?

Since it was wrongly created there, to begin with...

 

Name one national leader who has said that it is?

With sources and links.

It exists only in the minds of the paranoid and the deluded Israeli's, who are suffering a kind of collective psychosis.

 

I'm not advocating for evil.

But it seems to me, that Humans only learn from their mistakes. Why can't humans predict beforehand that what they are doing is wrong, why do they have to endure the mistakes in order to learn right from wrong?

 

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2005/10/200849132648612154.html

Happy now? Needless to say while the arab leaders try not to say it openly any more (for PR purposes) their real objectives have not changed.