European Capitialism in Death Agony ,WW3 or Socialism Globally ,Take your choice!

Given the military impotence of NATO without the US, I'll take my chances with "WWIII."

A bunch of lazy Europeans shaking their fists at each other.

 

Perhaps, but who's going to have enough money to even finance a war? The Germans are the only ones who have either "a pot or a window".

Hell, if I were the German Chancellor, I'd tell the rest of Europe to stuff the Euro up their asses and go back to printing Deutschmarks again. No reason to have a war about it, for heaven's sake....

Don't know when you'd even be able to have a war in Europe anyway -- everybody's on paid leave, vacation, or holiday about a third of the time. The Germans would all be too busy eating five meals a day to spend any time fighting wars anymore. And who would the Germans have a war with? I don't think you could find enough sober French or Italians to participate in a war anymore without most of them falling down in a drunken torpor....

 

Seems Capitialism is in real strife,Germany is the centre stage again ,a Socialist revolution in Germany would Ignite the global proletariet>Socialsist Workers Revolutionary States of Europe..

 

An unburned hillbilly country ya all' ~

Rev A

 

Are you for real? If you want starvation and death then adopt and embrace communism. If you want freedoms wealth and happiness rid yourself of government as much as possible, and become as self sufficient as possible. The reason the USA is in such bad shape is that the wrong side, i.e. the Northern Federal government won the civil war. The south was really fought over states rights and for the idea that the people should diminish the size and power of the federal government. That is despite the propaganda the world has been fed by our government. Oh well that is material for another thread~

Rev A

 

NewsFlash>New spainish governmkent of the Openly unabashed Capitialist type pledges cuts of $26 Billion ,unemployment upto23%.,and another deepening"Recession"I say depression in 2012.Brilliant news for EU,and lets add greece,portugual,ireland,Italy ,NEXT? FRANCE prehaps?

 

Where are you really from?

Rev A

 

Yes, such experimental data should not be neglected.

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
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I'm over 70, have a net worth well over a million, have run multi million dollar companies. Started poor, paid for my own education, am a vet, and know that Congress is more responsible than the president. Unlike you, I know and understand how the government of the USA functions. And liberalism is a mild form of diluted Communism to a serious threat to the future of the US. Depending on which idiots are elected.
For example, From George Washington until the liberal Democrats got control of Congress for FY 2008, the USA had accumulated $9 TRILLION in national debt. Since the liberal Democrats took control only 4 years ago, we have accumulated $6 TRILLION MORE DEBT. That is blatantly insane, and a clear threat to the future of the nation.

 

So your ready to force socialism on everyone and if they refuse then you are ready to kill them? I always like when we can see the true colors of the socialist!

 

no-one other then the capitialists and their governments force humans to do anything .Its not my communist doings that is bring down Nations everywhere.Hey we are not those in Political power!

The only section of the population that should fear their personal safety are the politicans,Capitialists ,and the police.

I am not trying to convince them, they need "Mass terrorising "not individual terror MASS TERROR not Taliban and individual acts but Proletariet revolutionary Acts.And if necessary "liquidation"of course except in civil-war with a fair and open public trial,depending on the Individual capitialists crimes ,we may take mercy .

EG Mr Gates may just have his property siezed and spend a short detention in the mansion of his choice.

Whilst rupert murdoch types face the chop.The proletariet democracy will decide.Not me or my party.

don't call it Class War or Revolution for nothing!

but only hopefully in very rare circumstance lets hope they see sence and don't resist Proletariet democracy.

The choice is theirs to make not for me to "Impose"the will of the proletariet collectively is the present or any future social reality ,not the ideas running around in my head.

Not much history and how it ACTUALLY works in your learning ,I think.

 

In Europe we used to call it socialdemocracy, before the socialists parties made a mess of it becoming ultra-liberals in economy in practice. But the idea is there: government is in charge of basic needs (justice, health, army, education, etc...) and the rest goes private.

The most important bit is not really the economical system, but finding a way that avoids for ever that a group of mafiosi manages money and institutions to their own purpose. USA had law against monopoly and new laws should be implemented against economic power groups, guarantizing press freedom, democracy throught vote and assemblies, etc.

 

I don't have much of a fight with a hard worker who became middle class just remember that possibility is yesterday in the "Former greatest nation on Earth",in your 70years much has changed .

That be as it may,liberalism is Liberalism and Communism is Communism they have different spelling for a Reason ,the Amby pamby middle class liberal reformers of Capitialism want to REFORM Capitialism .

As you know the Communist want to bring the whole Capitialist Madhouse of economic Anarchy and Political Lies ,Down in insurrectionary overthrow of the Capitialist Government.

Out of 100 how high would you rate the present crop of capitalist Politicans?

i would give the Lot Republican \Tea Party and democrats about a 2 out of 100 am I being generous?

Why are they so inept,corrupt,and STUPID???????

What do you think they will do when the Working Class stands up,I think run for the hills as the Cowards they are.

Me v\s any Republican\Tea party politican and NO contest they would lose by any measure.

 

Sounds like the continent would be a cake walk for a country like Turkey. Once the Europeans decide they're to smart for NATO, Turkey may want to get some old property back, and then some.

 

the problem with social democracy is the it trys to reform capitialism ,tinker with the state apparatus ,and were does the working Class end up facing Austerity ,Depression and War.

Maybe as in 1914,social democracy serves Capitialism whereas the Internationals represent the Worker.

Presently the 4th International of World socialist revolution.

Those trapped in the Spainish collapsing Nation ,I ask are you optimistic about the future of Spain?

Or nationally based Capitialist Europe?

when do you expect the "recovery".?

 

There is a difference between debt owed and future commitments. We have commitments well over $100 trillion. They are not debts.

If you have a point , make it .

And I'll match my English with yours any day. But I was better when the secretarial staff corrected my musings.
Retired, no more secretaries to chase. I lived in a softer, gentler time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Lateest news Spainish government increases austerity programe by another $11billion,to $38billions.

Makes sence to me that the People of greece and Spain and italy call the debt repuidated by default.

Whats wrong with the shareholders of the banks making a loss for once ?

Italy bearly scraped in onselling its government bonds at auction.just bt the skin of its teeth.

gee and that was only this morning ,Italy will last at least another month.WOW what a recovery,NOT.

Oh they are proposing another talkfest on reso "EU Crisis"BTW that makes 6 last year and 1 more in January .

If hot air could be sold the recovery would have had arrived.

http://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/redirect.jhtml?searchfor=Italian+Bond+auction&cb=ZR&n=77dea670&ptnrS=ZRxpt147YYAU&qid=3745dcde017e905aed09740539d44d35&action=pick&ss=sub&pn=1&st=hp&ptb=jS9SeLFAU7PZ30enep5AUg&pg=GGmain&ord=1&redirect=mPWsrdz9heamc8iHEhldEWqfmp1SYf%2FxaZHNeDYGAjbS%2FbRGaczH7ztgWw97C%2F0hunZHvlhVaALh6HyHDSaUdEV68DwP0aA2TjNiC4lPwOKojYuPJ8Pkc06ydpS9%2B0ui2%2Fy66QxCEuUTw2n%2Fmzxp8tI0N4HVPzcc9WOKhAlZbmcqAusWgGUimkFaW4rBZP2p&ct=AR&tpr=sbt

 

probably more amoral than immoral.

however the success of capitalism has relied on immoral actions over the last couple of centuries, and where the workers within capitalist nations fought for their rights, their "rights" were then bolstered by the exploitation of others.

initially this was through colonialism - later it was continued through international monetary instruments and trading relationships, where the more powerful nation could manipulate the poorer nations, in much the same way as capitalists had exploited and manipulated the throng of workers who had flocked to the cities after being denied access to earning a livelihood through policies such as enclosure, which favoured wealthy landowners.

capitalism itself is unsustainable, and to be perfectly honest what we are seeing today is pretty much what marx predicted.

 

Both Socialism and Communism are stupid and downright silly as ECONOMIC SYSTEMS. Neither can possibly work as economic systems. What they both are is forms of GOVERNMENT. Capitalism on the other hand is strictly an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, not ANY form of Government.

Both Socialism and Communism, as economic systems, REQUIRE everyone to share equally in the economy. No one gets more, no one gets less. I cannot believe anyone could ever be so stupid as to believe that nonsense could ever work. It simply is ridiculous.
So both are GOVERNMENTS ONLY, not economic systems.
While capitalism is an economic system only, not a form of government.

Apples and oranges.

Hopefully, one day, those proposing either Socialism or Communism, will acquire some maturity and gain enough wisdom to look back on the Socio-Communist period of their life with dismay and laughter at their own silliness.

 

Capitialism without a form of Government ,wow ,what form of government is that ,see when obama hands $7 000 000 000 000 to Capitialist Corporations and Banks and then cuts services to workers and the poor that makes the gvoernment of the rich for the rich a CAPITIALIST GOVERNMENT.

Did i miss the handouts to the poor that are 'to big to collapse'."No Capitialist Government "well how would you define the Government?

 

Sorry that you cannot understand the written word. Perhaps that is why you believe in utter and complete nonsense.

 

And as far as Silly ,thanku for the compliment .To be called" silly" by an insane Nationalist is a compliment of sorts.

To all Nationalist mined still amongst us even the national Economy is Globalised .

Game over surrender or be destroyed capitialist's ruling Class.and who said I don't want to advoid the unleasing of mass terror Like a global General strike as 1 Global Proletariet ,1 Issue Down with" austerity "Down with the Capitialist Governments of all Nations .

See I contain my militancy for sake of scaring Petty-bourgeois boys and Girls.

The proletariet mined and the democratic faithful friends,know that the freeing from wage slavery as all forms of slavery in the past ,is painful and lets say an Emotional experience .

see us prol's are not suppose to have emotions.

 

Liberalism is Social Reformism BTW ,I am Socialist revolutionary.can you "read the difference" or do i have to simplify further.

Hey everyone got new nationalist pet rock.Come on Party I am sorry won't do it again please no more mental purgotory.

Edwin 30 was a interesting case Dan 30.put old ed in a mental ward last time I looked lost the plot nightmares.

Sorry Agent Provocateur Dan 40.

Sorry just another nationalist whothinks nationally.Not realistically and logically starting from the Greatest economic Power house on the Planet presently ,called the Global economy ,now tell me why you and just about you alone thinks that Global economy the very economic basis for global Socialism without NATIONS is Impossible???????

 

captialism as it is now will ultimately fail, captialism is built upon a belief of perpetual growth and ulimited resources both are impossiblities...capitalism's shift towards state controlled economics and socialism is inevitable...

 

The jolly aspect of socialist political economy is that it encompasses standard left wing heterodox schools of thought but also the likes of Austrian economics. Its the cheer for the non-herded! God bless it