Was Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt a success?

I say no. and dare any of you to book a vacation to either of these lands in the next 5 years. your dear leader Barack Barry Soetoro Obmama aka the Renegade has stirred up a few hornets nests by killing their leaders after lying to them as allies, that will take some time to simmer down. not to mention he's meddling in Syria and Iran now.

oops..too soon to talk about those yet?.


sound off

 

Yes they are unstable but I can not put the blame on the thing in the White House.

Afghanistan? Come on that was all on that dead arab guy; bin Laden.

Egypt and Libya? I only blame him for trying to interfere. I really do not think we had much impact on the outcome.

Syria and Iran are just problem children. The Arab league seems to be moving on Syria and Iran should be left alone. They are a nation and we seem to think the US (UN) can control every nation on the globe.

We should help Iran. If they do something stupid we should simply end them.

 

oh but nooooo..

Afghanistan - Obama continued the war from Iraq. found nothing. Osama bin laden has been dead since 2007.

Lybia - Obama's meddling in Lybia's affairs caused them to uprise against Ghaddafi , thus causing the rebels to lead to capturing and killing him.

Egypt - same meddling by Obama caused Mubarak to be forced to step down or be assassinated.


and if think for a second that Obama will not use these 3 so-called victories to boost his bid for re-eletion., think again.

and if he gets Ahemndinejad by Nov 2012, he's a shew in....

 

Well I wont argue with you though I disagree with many of the things you say here.

What I do think is many of these Arab (Muslim) countries need a strong authoritarian dictatorship. I mean without those evil dictators thew middle east would be a very (more) dangerous place.

 

Too early to tell. I would give it about 8 to 10 years before we see any significant change to evaluate. Religous people don't change their thinking to fast. And you can't bring 6th century culture and societies up to the modern age in a couple of years. Things will be slow. Look at Russia. They been struggling for 20 years and not much progress other than they are not unified.
And their change only needed to be their government. The countries you select need to change government, policy, religious thinking, and infrastucture.

But, there is one positive: They have a lot of room for improvement, and a large growth potential. Natural resources is their key. Saudi Arabia has the market for tourism mastered. Egypt will likely follow, Libya will need to exploit it's resources. And Afganistan, well back to the 6th century.

 

egypt's tourism industry was just fine prior to the revolution. Now it is in shambles and if the hardline islamists have their way, it will be finished.

 

Ghaddafi wasn't an evil man. do you know what he did for his country and potentially the whole of Africa?
http://www.orwelltoday.com/librivermanmadegaddafi.shtml

Mubarak, was a diferent story, he instituted Martial law for years, I think.

 

I was afraid of this. so you're saying that my dream of visiting Cairo to see the Pyramids is out of the plans for a while?

 

Yeah, I do. I particularly liked his use of the Libyan desert for setting up training camps for terrrorists, and his brief and incompetent invasion of Chad was also quite an amusing episode.

 

People of Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt are today free and can live without fear in open and democratic societies which respect their human rights. People of Syria and Iran are longing for freedom, peace and understanding and it is our duty as human beings to assist them.

 

Lybiaa and Egypt were success only for Islamists who are very thankful to Hussein Obama for the Great Support of their Agenda.

 

Are there still Arabs there? Then no, it didn't go well.

 

I'm shocked that you underestimate the gravity of the situation so egregiously.

Barky has made the situation much worse, and IMO his deliberate pass on showing at least verbal support for the greens in Iran 2 years ago, may be looked upon by historians as a missed opportunity of monumental proportions.

Whether or not you see these semi-secular leaders and former leaders (Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad, et al) in the ME as good or bad, they kept the crazies and the Muslim Brotherhood redundant, I know in line the kept things somewhat under control. Ideologically, the ME is on fire now, stability is gone, and all bets are off.

Five more years of our Marxist de facto dictator, and we'll no longer be able to defend ourselves against enemies foreign and domestic.

May Mr. Obama burn in Hell.

 

indeed.

and it's a shame Obama supporters in America won't call this out for what it is...

a FAILURE

 

I agree. no argument here. my comment was the tip of the iceberg of Obama's meddllings.

and let's also not forget all the meddlling he's done to our own economy and healthcare.

 

The trouble in the Arab world has been brewing for at least a decade, with the pressure behind it being the increasing number of young men with no future ahead of them (due to birth rates versus economic growth). The existing dictatorships were like dams in various states of repair, faced with gradually rising water year after year and no efficient spillway system to reduce the pressure. Presumably President Obama felt that a small flood now when the dam gives way is better than a big flood later when the dam gives way under much greater pressure.

Even with the dam gone, the water level will continue to gradually rise for a while (to continue the analogy). Democracy may or may not take root in these countries, but there is a lot of difference between Islamics and Islamists in the legislature versus the same times as successful dictatorial revolutionaries. For another analogy, imagine if Batista had been chased out of Cuba by massive demonstrations before Castro's revolution ever got started. Castro and his buddies would probably have been some of the people elected but they would not have had the dictatorial control they had as a result of the revolution.

 

Youd have to understand why it was done for you to actually know if it was successful.....

Its kinda hard to get to the truth, when the only thing the government gives us is lies....

I definitely dont believe Obama bombed libyans to protect them from kaddafi.

 

No he wanted to show the moderates he had hair on hiz nutzez to get their votes.

 

If by success, you mean a successful waste of billions of dollars and thousands of lives.... yes.

 

Lets see the Republican policy of invading country's (Iraq and Afganastan) cost trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands of people.

obamas policiy of using miltiary strikes and supporting rebels in Libya resulting in 0 American deaths, cost less then 1 billion and overthrew a dictator.

Clearly Obamas policies were alot mroe succful then his republcian counterparts

 

well......the wars were great in bringing america that much closer to bankruptsy!

 

absolutely a success.

At destabilizing nations.

 

and making the price of gold go up LOL!

 

America is gone. All that remains is a piece of shxt called Amerika. Fuct Amerika. Kill it dead.

 

When ADS declares it dead, I am a bit concerned. Can't you say something positive, even if it is crap?