Here are some interesting facts about the tax and spend liberal Democrats!

You are absolutely mistaken, James.

You would think one of the conservatives in this group (I won't mention any names) would have more important things to do with his time than try over and over again to pick fights and silly arguments with our liberal members!

He has to be a paid shill for the RNC.

 

Excellent response, BroncoBilly

You get five stars for this one!

 

This is an excellent response, BroncoBilly.

Thanks for your insight and for sharing it with us!

 

Paid? I will tell you who pays, it is the American people. We are headed for the cliff. and this community leader is pushing us off, and worse, you defend him doing it. $16+ trillion and climbing, (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiots

Here is a clue for all you Obama-bots, this Harvard grad that can't do simple math, he is already in his ivory tower, you are not. So when the ship sinks, you go down with it

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/obama-asks-for-1-2-trillion-debt-limit-increase/

Obama Asks for $1.2 Trillion Debt-Limit Increase

 

You are incorrect to blame Obama for the $15 trillion debt. When he came to office, the debt was already almost $11 trillion.

So your ire should properly be lodged against Reagan and Bush, who ran up trillions of debt with tax cuts and big spending at times when the economy was doing well.

Obama inherited an economy that was tanking straight for a depression. In a severe recession, tax revenues decline and spending increases automatically. And to prevent another depression, Govt intervention was necessary and justified.

I agree that the Govt needs a plan to increase taxes and restrain spending to get back to a balanced budget.

So if you really care about the debt as you pretend you do, and this isn't some political partisan rant which is what we get from most conservatives, then write your representatives and tell them to compromise on taxes to get a budget deal done. That is what they need to hear, because especially for the Republican party, they refuse to compromise one dime.

Otherwise, your rant is just typical right wing demogougery.

 

No, he has increased it past $15 trillion and now wants to increase again with another $1.2 trillion. I have wrote my reps, and this isn't partisan, it is simple math. Quit making excuses.

 

He inherited an $11 trillion debt and has "Just No Compromise" in controll of the House.

Quit pretending it's all Obama's doing.

 

No pretending Iriemon, get your facts straight:

When George W. Bush became President on 1/20/01, the national debt was $5,727,776,738,304.64 ($5.73T).
When George W. Bush left office, the national debt was $10,628,881,485,510.23 ($10.63T).

When Barack H. Obama became President on 1/20/09, the national debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08 ($10.63T). Now we are cracking over $16 trillion Iriemon, and that is a fact.

Here is a video that I am sure you will love to watch:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDsee9lCFrM"]Obama inherited the DEMOCRATS DEBT, not Bush's - YouTube[/ame]

 

Thank you for pointing that out. George W. Bush became president with a surplus budget. Had he just maintained that budget during the 2000s when the economy was doing OK, the debt would have been $5.7 trillion when Obama took office, and and without even caluculating all the money we've spent on interest from the Bush debt increase, we would be in a much more manageable situation with $10.2 trillion today, even with the biggest recession in 80 years.

So quit blaming Obama for everything.

Dude, I'm not denying the problem with the debt, but it is just a little over $15 trillion.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

When you make false statements of fact like that, I can only wonder about the sources from which you get your information.

Like that one.

 

We are not talking about the budget, we are talking about our massive debt. We also lost trillions after 9/11, which you appear to blame Bush for also. The debt Irie, the debt. What is your excuse why Obama and the democrats had to raise it so drastically? We are getting close to our GDP, and we will end up like Greece if this isn't brought under control.

Yes, I am glad I mentioned the video too, because your attempted diversion of Clinton's surplus was put together by a republican congress in case you forgot.

 

Well how do you think we got our massive debt? Because of massive deficits.

I didn't blame him at all, but what "trillions" did we lose after 9/11?

That is what we've been talking about.

I explained it above. Whe Obama took office the economy was tanking straight for a depression. When people lose their jobs, they pay less taxes. When people go on unemployment and welfare, the Govt spends more money. And to turn the economy around and prevent those other items from getting much worse than they did, the Govt undertook some expensive stimulus efforts, including huge tax cuts the conservatives wanted.

I agree that the Govt needs a plan to increase taxes and restrain spending to get back to a balanced budget.

So if you really care about the debt as you pretend you do, and this isn't some political partisan rant which is what we get from most conservatives, then write your representatives and tell them to compromise on taxes to get a budget deal done. That is what they need to hear, because especially for the Republican party, they refuse to compromise one dime.

Otherwise, your rant is just typical right wing demogougery.

Oh yes. The Republican Congress. The one that fought Clinton tooth and nail to slash taxes. the one that got its way in 2001 when Bush was selected president. The one that squandered the rare opportunity of a surplus within just a couple years and with the tax cuts and wild spending had us back to record deficits in no time.

Oh yeah, that Republican Congress. They deserve a lot of credit for the budget surplus.

 

You have nothing more here than a partisan rant Irie, and I haven't the time right now. But we can conclude that you continue carrying the water for Obama and the democrats that have continued to outspend republicans two to one as our nation moves closer to the cliff. I hope you have a parachute

 

Hate to break the news to your partisan belief system that say blame Obama for everythign, but Bush and the Republicans increased spending far faster that Obama.

Thanks. Since your posts are nothing more than partisan rants blaming Obama for everything, if we do need that parachute, you better pray it wasn't Reagan and Bush that packed it.

 

Obama has increased the debt more in 3 years more than it increased in centuries. Stop trying to down play the enormous increase Obama has caused in a very short time.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oba...residents-george-washington-through-george-hw

 

If you guys are going to listen to Rush or Sean and sources like "cnsnews" for your worldview would it be too much to at least think?

If the debt was already $10.6 trillion when he took office and it is $15.2 trillion now, how could he have already increased it more than it had increased thru the centuries?

 

It seems we have 2 options with our 2 party system.
Tax and spend D's or borrow and spend R's. They are both winning on the spending part and the R's are winning on the borrowing part.
Great system. Which party is at fault. If you can't figure it out, please, please, don't vote. You're too stupid.

 

You are very correct, dairyair.

The Democrats and Republicans in Congress are exactly alike in that they don't care one "(*)(*)(*)(*)" about future generations of Americans. These people give their constituents exactly what they believe they want so they will continue to be re-elected to their influential and very comfortable congressional offices!

 

Because it took that long to get to 4 Trillion. Sorry the facts do not agree with your misconceptions and Obama apologetics.

 

According to Broncobill reality is a partisan rant.. And Broncobill is 100% correct, because everyone knwos that reality is bias towards liberals

 

They are republicans therefor they dont think

 

That post makes no sense.

 

You are indeed correct, ptif219.

By the way, since he has been president, Barack Obama has increased the national debt by $5.2 trillion in only three years!

A remarkable flashback!

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” … Senator Barack Obama


Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic Fargo, ND July 3, 2008

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U&feature=related"]Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic Fargo, ND July 3, 2008 - YouTube[/ame]

 

You are very mistaken James.

By the way, I notice you never ever include any reliable sources to back up your made-up assertions.

Without reliable sources, these comments are mere speculation and unsupported conclusions on your part!

 

you are mistaken, Iriemon.

I always include reliable sources to back up and support my conclusions.

It is the "Leftists" in our group who are usually too lazy to do this!

My conclusions and opinions are always correct, by the way!

 

You are indeed correct, ptif219.

Are you aware Obama and his administration are attempting to kill our U.S. cement production industry? If Obama is successful, his "wrong-headed" policies will kill thouands and thousands of U.S. jobs and cause our cement plants to move, of all places, to Mexico!

Sad. ... Obama's policies are killing our economic recovery efforts!

"Meeting the EPA’s deadline would cost $3.4 billion and may lead to shutting down 18 of about 100 U.S. cement plants, according to the Portland Cement Association, a trade group."