‘Medicare for All’ would cover everyone, save billions in first year: new study

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/july/...veryone-save-billions-in-first-year-new-study

This is what I have been advocating for years.

The truth in this so obvious.


‘Medicare for All’ would cover everyone, save billions in first year: new study
Economist says Canadian-style, single-payer health plan would reap huge savings from reduced paperwork and from negotiated drug prices, enough to pay for quality coverage for all – at less cost to families and businesses

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July 31, 2013

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I don't know about saving billions but it would be a heck of a lot easier to implement than an entire new program like Obamacare. For one thing the program is already there and most workers are already paying something into/towards it anyway. I'm not Math smart or economic smart but I do know that if they say took 10% of every earner's paycheck...they could afford the medicare insurance easily AND they would be seeing something (in the form of their medical care) in return for their money. If you have dependents then they take x amount out for your medicare. Plus if everyone was on Medicare, and contributing to it, it sees like the prices wouldn't rise and doctors wouldn't not reject medicare patients. Plus they could afford to have medicare cover a bit more than 80% of medical costs...though from my experience (and I am on Medicare): the co-payments for other insurances are higher than the 20% that the doctors has me pay for a visit since I don't have any other medical insurance. All that would have to be figured out would be the logistics, who pays how much out of each paycheck for how many people in their family!

 

All the back seat drivers making proposals, the very same kinds of proposals the Republicans blocked in the original Obamacare plan, THREE YEARS after Obamacare passage, just before its full implementation.

Yeah, let's have the Right run the country - backwards!

 

You mean free healthcare for deadbeat Obama voters so they don't have to mooch off the current charity hospitals that they go to now.

Their cost remain the same because typical Obama voters pay nothing either way.

But the cost to everyone else does increase because we have to pay ours and theirs also.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-5414390.html

Big savings eh?

 

The more I learn about the Swiss system the more I like it. Basically its still consumer driven and utilizes private insurance companies but instead of only some people buying their own health insurance.........everyone does. Employers don't provide healthcare its up to the individuals to buy their own. It has the more popular elements of Obamacare like preexisting conditions and universal coverage etc. but it doesn't come with all the massive crap that Obamacare is full of.

The only negative is that they have a mandate, which as a Libertarian I find obnoxious, but that could be worked around by simply offering alternate positive incentives like tax reductions etc to make it worthwhile for people to get health insurance.

They have top rate health care and the latest gizmos from what I have read unlike countries with socialized medicine that are always way behind the technology curve. Socialize medicine by definition means the end to medical progress or at the very least a dramatic slow down.

 

Single Payer is more efficient than the individual mandate.
And government run Health Care (VA for all) is even more efficient.

That has always been known, but however inevitable it is that the country will have to go there, driven by costs, the political process will be influenced by stakeholders in the health care industry who profit greatly from inefficiency in the system.

Obamacare is what is possible now, the rest will come later.

 

as we move closer toward utopia, the nationalization of the health care industry must occur. Medical insurance companies should no longer exist and Drs should be dictated to about how much they can earn. Big Pharma should not be allowed to make a profit nor should the medical technology industry.

The sooner we can get the government involved in the day to day management of the entire industry is when costs will drop and quality will go through the roof.

That is after all, the roll of a Constitutional govt.

 

Canadian-style? This is Canadian-style too........

July 24, 2012

So this is "better" idea on health care? What makes them think for a minute ours will work any better than theirs? What did they do so wrong that we're doing so right? Obama Care must be repealed and we as voters must put the people in place to do so before it's too late.

 

At the end of the day we will have single payer system like the rest of the world. It's inevitable.

 

Maybe where you live, but not in the US.

 

You can bet your ass it will happen. Mark my words.

 

Good. Then maybe my cousin who will be dying of cancer shortly because she ran out of money, and her insurance company imposed a very low lifetime cap on her ( they changed the cap AFTER she started treatment I might add. It was mere "coincidence" the insurance company claims, and that they had made the change after the recent cancer death of her mother and after re-evaluating patient family history, felt the new much lower cap was warranted ) might be alive to watch her kids grow up. But its too late for her now.

 

Did she not have insurance?

 

It's where we are headed once the current status quo is destroyed by Obama care, and nothing else will be left to attempt. That is the entire purpose of Obama care. destroy the current system so it can easily be replaced with something else. Single payer socialized medicine.

 

Good. Then maybe my cousin who will be dying of cancer shortly because she ran out of money, and her insurance company imposed a very low lifetime cap on her ( they changed the cap AFTER she started treatment I might add. It was mere "coincidence" the insurance company claims, and that they had made the change after the recent cancer death of her mother and after re-evaluating patient family history, felt the new much lower cap was warranted ) might be alive to watch her kids grow up. But its too late for her now.

 

The health care system is heading for crisis all over the West as the Baby Boomers (a very important voting bloc) become seniors (another very important voting bloc). Older people devour the lion's share of the resources devoted to health care so that means the high cost of health care will increase quickly and massively. I'm not sure what the end result will be, but politicians will be stuck between impossible costs and angry voters.

 

If we do that, our entire system will collapse under the crushing cost, just like the single payer systems in the rest of the world...

 

Yeah the "stupid" rest of the world that pays HALF as much as the USA to cover EVERYBODY from cradle to grave. The USA spends nearly DOUBLE what ANY other country in the developed nations spends on healthcare, and our results rate something like 35th!

Yah, the USA would be FOOLS to spend HALF as much money as we do now! How would all of our insurance CEOs get their $50 million per year paychecks?? What would our doctors do if their personnel QUIT having to spend HALF THEIR TIME filling out paperwork to get paid!?

 

Spoken like a sith.

 

I have no idea what that means! But watch. I promise the US will end up with single payer. I'm not saying it's good or bad mind you, because at the end of the day it's happening either way.

 

Yes our system is able to have much more money for care than single payer because of the amount of profit made from float. When you have single payer the money available for care is 1 to 1. For every dollar you spend you have to take that dollar from someone else. In the US system we have a multiplying effect as profits are made from the floating reserve between premiums and payments. This allows insurers to cover more costs with less money directly from rate payers.

 

And just think how wonderful it will be to have the government control virtually every aspect of our existence after we hand the government control over our healthcare.

 

LOL, generalize much? Funny thing is I can about guarantee that you scream bloody murder when someone generalizes the tea party as typically being racist.

 

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