‘Rape Tree’ Found Near Texas-Mexico Border

I showed you were wrong with the official government stats. You provided a cartoon and talking points.

 

Your talk of the "free market" is completely irrelevant thanks to the existence of the welfare state. The Hispanic percentage of the US was very low until after we established a welfare state and changed our immigration laws in the 1960's. Now there is incentive to drop an anchor baby on US soil for citizenship and welfare benefits. When this incentive did not exist, as well as many other incentives I could name, people weren't crossing the Arizona desert in the middle of the night to come here. Not in significant numbers, anyway.

How many of these illegal citizens are you supporting personally, by the way? Or are you only generous with other people's money?

 

It's called an infographic. They are a fairly commonplace means of communicating ideas. And you can double-check any of it you would like. Also, nothing in your link contradicts what I've said.

The quotas -- are government-mandated quotas really the best way to determine economic supply and demand needs? -- we used for unskilled labor were set 20 years ago and haven't changed since. Anti-immigration is anti-free market. America has business needs. Let us settle those needs without the government trying to decide what's best for business.

 

So give up?

Anchor babies? Really? Are we going to start worrying about the chupacabra next?

Evidence?

When you are done with your straw man, since it doesn't approach my point at all, how about actually caring about other people's money and allowing them to spend it on the labor that works best for their needs?

 

You seem to think immigration laws are "anti-immigration"... Words seem to confuse you.

 

Can you point to where I said that? No, immigration laws are not "anti-immigration". Ridiculously restrictive immigration laws that do not serve the economic interests of our country are. The current laws aren't here to serve our economic interest at all. They exist out of a misguided sense of collectivist entitlement.

 

Again nothing but opinion based on talking points.

 

Give up what? I'm merely pointing out how silly it is to talk about a "free market" when you have a system where Government is paying foreign residents to come here and pop out children on the taxpayer's dime.

You think anchor babies are fictional? That people from Mexico aren't coming here to have children so that they can avoid deportation?

You avoidance of my question leads me to believe you're not personally sacrificing anything to help these illegal aliens. You're content to just lump them onto society in general and let them deal with it.

 

This coming from the guy whose previous argument was "tough (*)(*)(*)(*)"? If anyone thinks the current laws are rational, let them defend them.

 

Yes lets pretend that is all i have said... I give you DHS stats and you come back with this? Come on man.

 

You are being inconsistent. You obviously oppose such handouts, correct? Why not oppose the handouts and also reject government interference in the labor force?

Not in any appreciable number, and many of them are being deported anyway: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2014/09/22/immigration-the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby/

A few anti-immigration extremists trot out numbers to make it look like anchor babies are thing, but they frequently add in babies that have one immigrant parent and one non-immigrant parent to inflate their numbers. Anchor babies are a boogeyman.

Proof of the whole claim, not just the claim that there are more Hispanics in the US than there used to be.

Your eagerness to attack a straw man rather than address my actual claims leads me to believe that you are not interested in a discussion.

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I gave you information about the actual laws and you come back with handwaving them away. I pointed out when you handwaved things away in the past. After the handwave, you did, indeed post DHS stats . . . which were not actually about the claim being made.

 

They want it to implode. Socialist gave up on taking the means of production by revolution a long time ago, when they saw capitalism actually works. Since then they shifted to breaking the system by graduation, blame capitalism then sweep in socialism.

 

These rapists do.

 

The picture may be staged, but the bigotry behind it is real

Bushwa. The very concept is silly. Illegal aliens are going to risk deportation by going to a hospital so that the child's birth can be registered? Why not just come here legally at around the time the baby is due? We do still permit fairly easy tourist access to the US from Mexico

Anchor babies are yet another right wing myth, along with Eternal Welfare Queens and Voter Fraud. A silly chart that just shows Hispanic population here is increasing is meaningless. (and a bit dubious in its figures for 35 years from now)

 

You.... posted.... a.... cartoon. !

I can see you are here to argue and not debate. Have a good one.

 

The same arguments for illegal immigration are probably the same ones used for slavery. Those who are not for stopping this tragedy immediately are pathetic.

 

There is no bigotry behind the picture.

 

An infographic. The "info" part means information, which the link contained. None of which you refuted. Do you think any of it is inaccurate? Then speak up. Complaining about the medium is irrational.

Once again, if any one actually wants to defend these laws and have a debate, let them do it. So far all we have are people that like it in theory without any desire to discuss the specifics.

 

Lefties see bigotry behind every tree....in this case, literally.

 

I'm not being inconsistent, at all. I believe the Government has the responsibility to prevent invasion and control who is allowed to come here.

 

The specifics were provided in my .PDF that i doubt you even looked at.

You can call your cartoon anything you want its still a cartoon. I can see why you favor that instead of a Government .PDF

 

Lefties support the new slavery of illegal immigrants because it is just more people for them to exploit like they do blacks. They will ignore images like this until they need these images to shame "whitey" and fear monger new people into voting for them. Then it will be the white man's fault these illegals were exploited.

 

Understood. I prefer individual rights to collectivist ones, and I don't see freely accepting a job that someone would freely like to hire you for, and buying or renting property from people who would like to offer it to you, is an "invasion".

Read what I said about those numbers again and the way they get conflated.

Also, how many of those children were actually used as anchor babies?

That's your job to figure out. You made the claim; it isn't my fault if it can't be backed up. Do the numbers spike every time a new welfare policy goes into place? Did nothing else change about our economy our about the economies of their country of origin to make immigration attractive. If you want to make the claim, then it is your job to figure those things out.

Until you can point out where I've supported the notion of illegal immigrants living off of the taxpayer, your point is still a straw man. So quote me. Otherwise, if you are having more fun arguing with an imaginary opponent, then have at him. I'll be over here.

 

For the billionth time: I was talking about unskilled workers from Mexico. You brought up the .pdf to refute that point. The .pdf does not give numbers for unskilled workers from Mexico who obtained legal permanent status. If you think it does, then you are the one who hasn't looked at the pdf. Telling unskilled workers to immigrate here legally is literally telling them to play the lottery. No, seriously, it is an actual lottery. And guess what, Mexicans are not even eligible for the lottery.

http://www.immihelp.com/green-card-lottery/american-visa-lottery-eligible-countries.html

Now, if you are done attacking the medium and would actually like to discuss the data . . .

 

Rape tree? Fertile imaginations run riot.